<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Chris,<div><br><div><div>On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Chris Grundemann <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Also, the RIRs, and ARIN in particular, were not created to "promote the Internet" necessarily (although I do find that a laudable cause)</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>True.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> - their primary purpose is to _support the Internet_ by acting as stewards of the Internet numbers in their region (something that should be remembered in any argument about needs testing). ;-)<br></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Not really. RFC 1366, section 2.0: </div><div><br></div><div> "<span style="font-size: 1em;">The major reason to distribute the registration function is that the</span></div><pre class="newpage" style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; page-break-before: always;"> Internet serves a more diverse global population than it did at its
inception. This means that registries which are located in distinct
geographic areas may be better able to serve the local community in
terms of language and local customs."</pre><pre class="newpage" style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; page-break-before: always;"><br></pre><pre class="newpage" style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; page-break-before: always;">The primary role was service to the community in language/culture. Being a "steward" of the address space (whatever that means) was a (much) later addition that I don't believe is universal across all RIRs.</pre><div><br></div></div><div>IMHO, RIPE got it exactly right (from the abstract of RIPE-605):</div><div><br></div><div>"<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;">The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is recognised as the NCC's principal task.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;"> "</span></div><div><br></div><div>(well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :))</div><div><br></div><div>Needs testing, in and of itself, is not the issue. What is at issue is what ARIN does when a transfer occurs (and they have, do, and will occur) outside of "justified" need. As a _registry_, I believe ARIN's role (as with IANA and all other RIRs) is to maintain accurate records.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>-drc</div><div><br></div></body></html>