<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Owen,<div><br><div><div>On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>"<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;">The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is recognised as the NCC's principal task.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(38, 38, 38); font-family: Helvetica, Arial, FreeSans, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px;"> "</span></div><div>(well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :))</div></div></blockquote>No, they spelled it the way the British do instead of the Americans.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>It was, of course, a joke, as suggested by the ":)" characters.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Needs testing, in and of itself, is not the issue. What is at issue is what ARIN does when a transfer occurs (and they have, do, and will occur) outside of "justified" need. As a _registry_, I believe ARIN's role (as with IANA and all other RIRs) is to maintain accurate records.</div></blockquote></div>You've made your position clear. The majority of the ARIN community does not appear to agree with you. </div></blockquote><div><br></div>For some definition of a particular subset of the "ARIN community", it may be true that accuracy of registration information is secondary to imposing policy dictates. I suspect, however, that for the vast majority of actual users of registration information that it is NOT the case.</div><div><br></div><div>This might be an interesting topic for an ARIN survey.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm curious: do you personally believe that accuracy of registration data is secondary to imposing policy dictates?</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Can you provide any evidence to support your claim that they "have, do, and will occur outside of justified need"?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course not. </div><div><br></div><div>Hint: according to current policy, such use of address space would be grounds for ARIN to "revoke" that address space.</div></div><div><div><br></div><div>I'd be surprised if you actually believe that folks are not fabricating justifications to get around the ARIN "justified need" requirements,</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>-drc</div><div><br></div></div></div></body></html>