<div dir="ltr">Andrew,<div><br></div><div>So are you in favor of or opposed to 2014-1, which explicitly permits out-of-region use? It sounds like you're opposed to efforts to "do something here" that restricts allocations based on region. Since you think "<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">policies, if they are to be adopted, ought to reinforce </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">the historically permissive stance ARIN has taken", do you favor 2014-1 as written? Or do you have any suggestions for how to improve it?</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Thanks,</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.727272033691406px">Scott</span></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Andrew Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com" target="_blank">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 09:02:13AM -0600, David Farmer wrote:<br>
<br>
> We (globally) created a run-out scheme that was going to be uneven.<br>
> There was at least one rejected proposal that tried to even out the<br>
> run-out across the RIRs. Unfortunately, I think we just need to<br>
> live with the consequences of our actions, or inaction in this case.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="im">> As the problem statement says, I think the real problem is that<br>
> policy is ambiguous on the subject of out of region use. Which<br>
> means there are some in the community that think out of region use<br>
> is outside the rules, as you seem to think. Then others think it is<br>
> perfectly normal and has always been allowed, because its never been<br>
> disallowed in policy. I think we need to clarify that out of region<br>
> use was always intended to be allowed by policy.<br>
<br>
</div>I am normally loathe to say "+1", but I have to agree very strongly<br>
with the above. The impulse to try to do something here is<br>
well-intended but badly misguided. It will have negative side effects<br>
as one tries to write exceptional exceptions for the exceptionally<br>
exceptional case. The reason clichés are cliché is that they express<br>
a truth, and in this case the cliché, "Hard cases make bad law,"<br>
applies. New policies, if they are to be adopted, ought to reinforce<br>
the historically permissive stance ARIN has taken.<br>
<br>
Will that have the consequence that some will come "out of region" and<br>
incorporate for convenience and try to corner the market on the<br>
remaining IPv4? Yes. The idea that ARIN can make a policy that will<br>
successfully stanch the well-known problems of speculation and gaming<br>
in commodity markets during scarcity and without doing incidental<br>
damage is, I think, too ambitious.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Andrew (I work for Dyn. The above remarks may not reflect their<br>
opinion.)<br>
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Andrew Sullivan<br>
<a href="mailto:ajs@anvilwalrusden.com">ajs@anvilwalrusden.com</a><br>
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