<div dir="ltr">This is why RIPE and APNIC both have their last /8 policy. Anyone can get a /22 once out of the last /8 (til there are no more). Both are now signing up tons of new customers. Both are generating a large amount of revenue. The small guys can all get their /22. Just sayin'<div>
<br></div><div>-----Cathy</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Kevin Blumberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kevinb@thewire.ca" target="_blank">kevinb@thewire.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">David,<br>
<br>
There are going to be lots of reasons why an ISP can't provide space to a downstream post run out, even when on paper they have space.<br>
<br>
1) Space dedicated to another region<br>
2) Cost Prohibitive for downstream due to cost recovery.<br>
3) Forward looking project that fits within the 24 month window.<br>
<br>
I can see the conversation now.<br>
<br>
Downstream: I need a /24 of IP space<br>
Upstream: NO<br>
Downstream: Ok, I'm telling on you.<br>
Upstream: We didn't sign the contract, find someone else to provide service.<br>
<br>
In a primary market there are going to be "others". In a secondary market you will be out of luck.<br>
<br>
We can't wrap this policy in a complicated beat stick. If a company has a need for an initial allocation<br>
They are going to have to go to the transfer market. We should be able to give them the initial allocation without adding complexity.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of David Farmer<br>
Sent: Friday, November 22, 2013 2:26 PM<br>
To: Brandon Ross; Jo Rhett<br>
Cc: ARIN-PPML List<br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Bootstrapping new entrants after IPv4 exhaustion<br>
<br>
On 11/22/13, 08:50 , Brandon Ross wrote:<br>
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013, Jo Rhett wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I'd like to see some actual documented issues with this. Almost<br>
>> everyone I know is sitting on large amounts of smaller blocks they<br>
>> can easily allocate to people. It's the larger (/21 or greater)<br>
>> blocks which are becoming scarce.<br>
><br>
> What kind of documentation are you looking for?<br>
<br>
I would think an a copy of an email or a letter from the upstream which confirms the upstream can't/won't provide them address space, for some reason other than they don't think the customer justifies additional address space.<br>
<br>
It is unfair for ARIN to withhold address space because the upstream has address space but won't provide it to the requester for what ever reason. I think it is reasonable to require some confirming documentation that the upstream is not providing address space. You can't just "say" your ISP is not providing it.<br>
<br>
However, if an ISP is saying you don't justify additional address space, then you shouldn't qualify for address space from ARIN under an exception like this.<br>
<br>
Also, ARIN should be able to refuse if they feel there is collusion between an ISP and a requester.<br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
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