<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)">On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:33 PM, David Conrad </span><span dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><<a href="mailto:drc@virtualized.org" target="_blank">drc@virtualized.org</a>></span><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"> wrote:</span><br>
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<div>On Oct 5, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Frank Bulk <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a>> wrote:</div></div></div><div class="im"><div>My understanding is that the reason this issue has been raised (at least from ARIN staff's perspective) is that folks from the AP region are obtaining address space from ARIN because it was easier than obtaining the addresses from LACNIC/AfriNIC.</div>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's interesting. Especially since AfriNIC has more IPv4 free pool than ARIN, and ARIN should certainly not be supplementing this, until such time as their remaining IPv4 is a small number of /8 equivalents than in ARIN free pool.....</div>
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<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><div>However, I believe the primary point of the policy is to give ARIN staff official backing to revoke address space when they notice/are notified that the address space is being used out of region. The interests of LEA (and anti-spam/anti-phishing/etc. folks IIUC) are a bit orthogonal, even if it was LEA interests that generated the policy proposal (this time). </div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I would say no..... it should give no backing for revokation, unless the applicant committed a fraud, by lying to ARIN staff, or submitting an application under false pretense regarding the use of the IP numbers.</div>
<div><br></div><div>In which case, the allocation could be revoked anyways.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I would like to propose an addendum to the ARIN RSA agreement in conjunction with the policy, in that case:</div>
<div><br></div><div>CHANGE</div><div> "(i) ARIN will take no action to reduce the Services currently provided for Included Number Resources due to lack of utilization by the Holder, and (ii) ARIN has no right to revoke any Included Number Resources under this Agreement due to lack of </div>
<div>utilization by Holder."</div><div><br></div><div>TO</div><div><div><br></div><div> "(i) ARIN will take no action to reduce the Services currently provided for Included Number Resources due to lack of utilization by the Holder, or utilization of resources outside the ARIN region, and (ii) ARIN has no right to revoke any Included Number Resources under this Agreement due to lack of utilization by Holder, or utilization of number resources outside the ARIN region."</div>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>-JH</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>