<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Frank Bulk <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com" target="_blank">frnkblk@iname.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I'm familiar with the concern about out-of-region folk taking advantage of<br>
ARIN's current IPv4 supply, but I have a few concerns about the wording of<br>
the staff communication.<br>
<br>
a) It's been my understanding thus far that if I'm an ISP that provides<br>
service in multiple places around the world that I may divide my allocation<br>
into smaller prefixes and advertise those to area peers. It seems ARIN<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div style>No. You can subdelegate portions of your allocation to customers.</div><div style>Your upstreams are not going to necessarily let you pick apart your allocation</div><div style>
and advertise every /29; Although ARIN staff should have no objections to this,</div><div style>if your upstreams will allow it, and you show that to be the case.</div><div style><br></div><div style>If you are chopping up your block; you do not need a big allocation from ARIN, though,</div>
<div style>of sufficient size for all your regions. It only makes sense if you intend to keep your block _whole_;</div><div style>and advertise a single block in multiple regions.</div><div style><br></div><div style>If you intend to chop up your blocks anyways; then a sensible thing to do is to obtain multiple blocks instead -- from the appropriate regions where they will be used.</div>
<div style><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">staff would preclude me from doing any of that. "All" is a pretty strong<br>
word, and if ARIN really believes it, a lot of violators could be found.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Routing is out of scope of ARIN policy in the first place; you have an option of</div><div style>not advertising your allocation at all. You are allowed to have a privately interconnected network</div>
<div style>that spans regions. </div><div style><br></div><div style>ARIN staff can reject your verification justification for the allocation; if you don't show you have an intention</div><div style>to use a significant amount of resources in the ARIN region</div>
<div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">While ARIN does issue numbers within its region, section 2.2 does not say<br>
"only for use". If an "only" had be applied, I would suggest that it's<br>
"only manage and distribute".<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Policy does not say "only for use"; however there is not policy</div><div style>specifically encouraging ARIN to recognize use outside of the ARIN region.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>It is not sufficient for use to merely be "allowed"; ARIN has to have procedures</div><div style>for validating and auditing the use.</div><div style><br></div><div style>It is possible, that you may be allowed to use out of region, but not be able to</div>
<div style>cite your out of region networks requirements as justification for obtaining</div><div style>a larger block than if your out-of-region usage did not exist at all,</div><div style><br></div><div style>or it may not be accepted as current use to satisfy utilization requirement</div>
<div style>for a future allocation.<br></div><div style> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If I could be so bold, I'd suggest ARIN to use language something along<br>
these lines in their communications:<br>
<br>
Please reply and verify that you will be using<br>
the requested number resources primarily within the<br>
ARIN region and announcing the majority of routing prefixes<br>
of the requested space from within the ARIN region.<br>
In accordance with section 2.2 of the NRPM, ARIN issues<br>
number resources within its region.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>This is very similar to the original quote of what they had said.......</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Frank<br></blockquote></div></div></div>