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<DIV>I see conservation not as a principle, I mean really the guiding principle
should have been distribution of addresses, not conservation of them.</DIV>
<DIV>The goal was to grow the Internet through the dissemination of
addresses.</DIV>
<DIV>Conservation was not the principle, it was the means to prevent the
emptying of the free pool by bad actors.</DIV>
<DIV>These recent incarnations of this proposal continue to try to shoehorn
conservation as a principle, even to the point of including conservation inside
registration.</DIV>
<DIV>I don’t think it is either a principal or a goal, for that matter, just a
protective mechanism for free pool addresses.</DIV>
<DIV>With the exhaustion of the free pool, conservation has no place in the
NRPM. </DIV>
<DIV>Until that time, we don’t need to clutter the NRPM with some hoary language
from another era.</DIV>
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<DIV>I am still against the proposal.</DIV>
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<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV>Mike Burns</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=billdarte@gmail.com
href="mailto:billdarte@gmail.com">Bill Darte</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 11, 2013 6:49 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=bill@herrin.us href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">William
Herrin</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles -
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<DIV dir=ltr>No offense taken....and I assure you that it was not a smart ass
comment, but a somewhat cynical observation of history. But I do not see
how you continue to suggest that the principles of rfc 2050 are not just
that. Conservation is a principle which has as its goal longevity of
address availability. Routability is a principle which help preserve
proper functioning of the Internet mesh, a goal. And Registration as a
principle has as its goal the unique usage of numbers. I believe that they
are principles upon which our goals have been pinned and have been effective in
my opinion.<BR><BR>bd<BR></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:45 PM, William Herrin <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:bill@herrin.us"
target=_blank>bill@herrin.us</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">You're
right John. Bill, I apologize for calling you a smart ass.<BR><BR>The draft
describes desirable states, not a belief system. Bill<BR>defined the former as
goals and the latter as principles. Bill then<BR>cleverly and deliberately
mischaracterized my comment that, if that's<BR>so, the draft should be
relabelled with the correct word: goals.<BR><BR>Clearly I was wrong to view
Bill's 'ditching principles' response as a<BR>smart-ass remark. And even if it
was, it was unforgivably rude for me<BR>to have said
so.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Bill Herrin<BR><BR><BR>On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:54 PM,
Sweeting, John<BR><<A
href="mailto:john.sweeting@twcable.com">john.sweeting@twcable.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>> Bill Herrin, you are totally out of line here. Please clean it
up, there<BR>> is no excuse for your rudeness below.
Period.<BR>><BR>> On 7/10/13 8:47 AM, "William Herrin" <<A
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</A>> wrote:<BR>>>On Wed,
Jul 10, 2013 at 6:59 AM, Bill Darte <<A
href="mailto:billdarte@gmail.com">billdarte@gmail.com</A>>
wrote:<BR>>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:55 PM, William Herrin <<A
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</A>> wrote:<BR>>>>>
Then perhaps we should ditch the word "principles" and stick
with<BR>>>>> "goals" like RFC 2050
did.<BR>>><BR>>>> I think in this world, the ditching of
principles has always proven to<BR>>>>be a<BR>>>> poor
choice.<BR><SPAN class=HOEnZb><FONT color=#888888><BR><BR><BR>--<BR>William D.
Herrin ................ <A
href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com">herrin@dirtside.com</A> <A
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</A><BR>3005 Crane Dr.
...................... Web: <<A href="http://bill.herrin.us/"
target=_blank>http://bill.herrin.us/</A>><BR>Falls Church, VA
22042-3004<BR></FONT></SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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