<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jun 19, 2013, at 4:04 PM, "Mike Burns" <<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">You
began this discussion some time ago with a policy proposal which attempted to
remove needs basis, was soundly rejected by the community, and which you backed
off to the same compromise you are again proposing now. The community didn't
want any part of it back then. At the time, there was no interest in continuing
the discussion and the proposal was abandoned. </div></div>
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<div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">Hi
Owen,</div></div>
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<div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">Just
to be accurate, my proposal was never abandoned and is in fact section 8.3 of
the NRPM.</div></div>
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<div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; ">Although
mostly a rewording of the original 8.3, it did originally call for removing the
needs test for transfers but added a 12 month exclusion period between the free
pool and the transfer pool, whose purpose was to protect the free pool from
those who would repeatedly sell their allocations just to get another from
ARIN.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Right… In other words, the removal of restrictions was dropped and the enhanced restrictions were retained. Pretty much the opposite of what you are arguing for here.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; ">
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<div style="font-style: normal; display: inline; font-family: Calibri; font-size: small; font-weight: normal; text-decoration: none; "> </div><span style="font-size: small; ">This
was my attempt to reconcile the existence of a profit motive in transfers that
should not be present for free pool addresses. In the end I reluctantly
removed any limit on needs testing from my policy so that it could be passed in
conjunction with the Inter-regional transfer policy, which otherwise would have
exposed the ARIN free pool to the aforementioned sell, repeat cycle.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I don't entirely agree. The original 2009-1 did provide some safeguards for that, but I do agree that what was left of 2012-1 was an improvement.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space" dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 12pt; ">
<div><span style="font-size: small; ">So
I dropped the needs test exclusion in favor of opening the global transfer
market, not because I came to the realization that I was tilting at windmills
with the ARIN policy development community.</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I never claimed you were tilting at windmills. I pointed out that your current argument isn't new and has been repeatedly rejected by the community before.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></body></html>