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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi John,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sometimes Buyers buy the listing in the ARIN
database- that's a policy-based sale.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Sometimes they buy the ability to route and use the
(legacy) addresses without changing that line in the Whois
database.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>The decision which to choose is often, but not
always, based on the needs test.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>For example, recently a buyer came to me looking
for legacy space with the understanding that he could not justify under ARIN
policies without substantial and expensive renumbering work on his part. He
thought it wiser to consider simply buying the addresses "off the books" if it
was less expensive and onerous than the renumbering. Now we can consider whether
this is the kind of behavior the community wishes to allow or to incentivize or
disincentivize, but we should not ignore the presence of these players and their
affect on Whois integrity if we keep in place the same policy designed for free
pool addresses where the profit motive could be ignored.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We seem to be trying to protect the Internet from
the profit motives of "hoarders and speculators" while ignoring the effect of
profit motives of other players here. If a buyer wants to get cash for
addresses, and a seller wants to pay cash for addresses, guess what happens?
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>But unless somebody like this volunteers
evidence that they engaged in a non-policy transfer to a policy development
board for an organization whose policies they don't recognize as binding them,
well I guess it doesn't happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>We are stewards of the registry first.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mike</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=jcurran@arin.net href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">John Curran</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mike@nationwideinc.com
href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">Mike Burns</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net List">arin-ppml@arin.net List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:33
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] A Redefinition
of IPv4 Need postARINrun-out(was:Re:Against2013-4)</DIV>
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<DIV>On Jun 18, 2013, at 4:16 PM, Mike Burns <<A
href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</A>>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">You have agreed in the past that it is
possible to advertise addresses for which the name in Whois does not match
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<DIV>The determination of appropriate verification of registration (for IP
address </DIV>
<DIV>blocks to be announced in routing) is a decision made by
service providers, </DIV>
<DIV>and varies widely.</DIV><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">When you put the facts together- no legal
obstacle to the transaction involving legacy space and no operational
obstacle to the transactions- along with the pecuniary factors, you have a
recipe for off-the books transactions which would be invisible to the ARIN
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<DIV><BR></DIV>The community has defined policies regarding transfers of
address blocks, </DIV>
<DIV>and the registry is operated according to those policies.
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<DIV>The assertion "no legal obstacle to the transaction involving legacy
space"</DIV>
<DIV>depends on one's view of rights to IP address space. If you
consider an IP </DIV>
<DIV>address block to be the unique entry in the Internet
number registry system,</DIV>
<DIV>then there are likely some significant legal obstacles involved.
Buyers seeking</DIV>
<DIV>to obtaining rights to something else via a purported transaction might
want to </DIV>
<DIV>take care in obtaining a rather clear description of their
purchase.</DIV>
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<DIV>FYI,</DIV>
<DIV>/John</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>John Curran</DIV>
<DIV>President and CEO</DIV>
<DIV>ARIN</DIV>
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