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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My vote is against.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think that saying that the “vocal” community fairly represents the entire ARIN community is presumptuous at best. I’m just pulling up the /8 allocation holders
again and I would ask: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">GE has a /8 – what do they think about this? – I’ve never seen a post from a GE email address in this forum. How about AT&T – what do they think? I don’t
have a clue from reading posts in this forum. How about Xerox or Apple or Ford or Halliburton. They all have /8’s. I can’t recall seeing any emails from any of those allocation holders either. And of course there are many more /8 holders I’ve not mentioned.
Then add all of the Legacy holders and all of the allocation holders that have received allocations since ARIN was created - and it is a very very slim percentage of all of the ARIN stakeholders who ever comment in this forum.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Who out there knows what all of these stakeholder think? I don’t think anybody knows. So to make comments in this forum that presupposes that this entire
community feels one way or another is inaccurate because nobody really knows. <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course we could ask everyone in the ARIN community to comment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And before anyone says that they could comment if they wish, I don’t see anywhere in my Legacy paperwork that says I(they) have to participate in this community
to be a stakeholder. This community needs to be open minded and not closed minded - and it needs to take into consideration all ARIN stakeholders and not just the ones that decide to comment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Free markets with reasonable governance always work. Central planning and control always fails and always provides uneven results. Needs based testing is
central planning! The current policies are producing uneven results.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is time to halt the current needs based allocations.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Blake Dunlap<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 04, 2013 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin Kargel<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Against 2013-4<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now legitimately, I don't think some or maybe even most of the advocates of dropping needs basis are in it for personal gain. There are at least a few if not a lot of them that genuinely believe that some version of a "free" market is the
best solution to directing goods to those who should have them. Let's not marginalize them with accusations of self profit motivation, it needlessly creates animosity and an us vs them attitude.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Blake<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Kevin Kargel <<a href="mailto:kkargel@polartel.com" target="_blank">kkargel@polartel.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I for one am a supporter of the needs basis. As I have said before, if we eliminate the needs basis then I want to be first in line to request everything that is left. I am sure there will be quite a queue.<br>
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My perception is that the ARIN community is strongly biased to support needs basis and there is a very vocal minority trying to eliminate it so that they can create a market they can profit by. I don't read the opposition to needs basis as having anything
to do with the good of the community, though there have been many mutations of the spin on it to try and advertise it that way.<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Kevin</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong<br>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2013 10:17 PM<br>
To: Steven Ryerse<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Against 2013-4<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 3, 2013, at 12:37 , Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I take issue with the assumption that "this community" is strongly for needs based assignments. Certainly there are folks in this community who frequently and sometimes loudly voice their support for needs based assignment policies. Then of course there
are folks in this community like me who are vehemently against needs based assignments and I certainly have voiced that frequently and sometimes loudly. There have been others who have done so as well from time to time.<br>
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It is not an assumption. It is reflected in the numbers each time this question has been raised in a public policy meeting throughout ARIN's history.<br>
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Owen<br>
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