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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Jason Schiller <<a href="mailto:jschiller@google.com">jschiller@google.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Fri, 17 May 2013 16:57:39 -0400<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Chris Grundemann <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-5: LIR/ISP and End-user Definitions<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I know people won't like this, but if you are going to pick one term ISP/LIR, I'd recommend LIR.
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<div style="">LIR shows up in the other regions, and also global polices.</div>
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<div style="">For clarity I think the best thing to do is use "ISP/LIR" as the single term everywhere.</div>
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<div style="">I think Chris Grundeman's simplification of ISP/LIR is fine, and his clarification of end-user is good.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Chris Grundemann <span dir="ltr">
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On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 5:53 PM, ARIN <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">> Policy statement:<br>
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> Update NRPM 2.4 and 2.6 to read:<br>
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> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP) The<br>
> terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used interchangeably in<br>
> this document. A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that assigns address<br>
> space to the users of the network services that it provides. Therefore, LIRs<br>
> / ISPs are organizations that reassign addresses to end users and/or<br>
> reallocate addresses to other ISPs/LIRs.<br>
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I think this is a bit redundant ('a LIR is an IR') and could be made<br>
more similar to the end-user definition thus:<br>
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"2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) / Internet Service Provider (ISP)<br>
The terms Internet Service Provider (ISP) and LIR are used<br>
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interchangeably in this document. An ISP is a LIR that receives<br>
allocations of IP addresses to provide network services to its users.<br>
An LIR / ISP reassigns addresses to end users and/or reallocates<br>
addresses to other ISPs / LIRs."<br>
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I'm also curious as to the community sentiment regarding using these<br>
two terms interchangeably. It seems that it may be more clear to go<br>
through the NRPM and make change to one or the other in all instances.<br>
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Would using a single term provide better clarity can continuity?<br>
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Which term would you prefer to use if that were the case (LIR or ISP)?<br>
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> 2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization receiving assignments of IP<br>
> addresses exclusively for use in its operational networks, and does not<br>
> register any reassignments of that space.<br>
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It's not the registration of the reassignment that makes an LIR/ISP<br>
different from an end-user, but the reassignment itself. I think the<br>
following text makes this more clear:<br>
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"2.6. End-user An end-user is an organization that receives<br>
<div class="im">assignments of IP addresses exclusively for use in its operational<br>
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networks. An end-user does not reassign or reallocate addresses to any<br>
other organization."<br>
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Cheers,<br>
~Chris<br>
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> Timetable for implementation: Immediate<br>
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