<div dir="ltr">On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 2:38 PM, William Herrin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us" target="_blank">bill@herrin.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">> On Apr 15, 2013, at 7:43 AM, "Tim St. Pierre" <<a href="mailto:tim@communicatefreely.net">tim@communicatefreely.net</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div class="im">>> Now we have a running network, with real customers, and we need IPv4<br>
>> allocations, since running IPv6 only for retail Internet is a bit<br>
>> problematic. We tried to get a /24 out of our upstream, but they are<br>
>> essentially out of address space and can't give us any. They can't get<br>
>> any more either, because they just got taken over by a larger carrier<br>
>> that has free pools, but on a different AS.<br>
>><br>
>> We do have another upstream that we could connect to, but they can't<br>
>> give us anything more than a /28 either.<br>
>><br>
>> I applied for a /22 under the immediate need category, but I don't<br>
>> qualify, since I can really only use about 2/3 of it within 30 days.<br>
<br>
</div>Hi Tim,<br>
<br>
If an IPv4 address market is going to work *at all* then it will work<br>
for this situation. It looks like you drew the short straw and get to<br>
be the guinea pig. Find someone with a /24 willing to sell and acquire<br>
it under NRPM 8.3. And document the heck out of the process so that<br>
your experience can guide the next policy changes around the IPv4<br>
market concept.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>If he can't qualify for space from ARIN, how is he going to qualify to receive space via transfer? The requirements are the same (with the exception of 3-month vs. 24-month need, which isn't the limiting factor here). And the minimum allocation size for ISPs is /22 per NRPM <a href="http://4.2.2.2">4.2.2.2</a>: only end-users can get /24's from ARIN (or via transfer), under NRPM 4.3.2.2. </div>
<div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
At a practical level, push your ISP harder too. By which I mean the<br>
salesmen, not the tech staff. They have upstreams too, and one of them<br>
has a /24 available for multihoming use. You may have to pay for the<br>
extra work acquiring it, but they *can* get it for you.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Agreed, this is likely the most expeditious path forward. You'll need two /24s to qualify for a /22 under current policy. If your upstreams still refuse to allocate them to you, you might be able to find a third party willing to do so. They typically refer to it as "leasing", but under ARIN policy it's just another form of reallocation.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>-Scott</div></div></div></div>