<p>I was merely answering the OPs question. Naturally, ARIN management became defensive with the dirty laundry partially aired</p>
<p>Thanks, Jeff</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 20, 2012 4:34 PM, "George Herbert" <<a href="mailto:george.herbert@gmail.com">george.herbert@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jeffrey -<br>
<br>
With all due respect; 3 issues.<br>
<br>
1, This is not appropriate on-list.<br>
<br>
2, Presumably, ARIN received evidence that the change was proper prior<br>
to making it. That evidence could have been wrong, forged,<br>
fraudulent. But a random person on the net asserting that a change is<br>
wrong, forged, or fraudulent does not mean that it is wrong, forged,<br>
or fraudulent. If the process is that anyone can make an assertion<br>
like that and the net is suspended, the possible damage is immense -<br>
anyone could procedurally disrupt huge parts of the net by making<br>
false claims of improper transfers.<br>
<br>
You are not personally "random person on the net" and I assume you<br>
haven't changed from an honorable networking professional to a malign<br>
saboteur overnight, so I would guess you've got a good case here. But<br>
you're putting ARIN in the job of being a private detective and<br>
judicial authority. That's wrong. They're a resources management<br>
cooperative. Them insisting that you convince a judge (who deals, by<br>
profession, in wrongs, forgeries, and fraud) that something was wrong<br>
with the other guy and it should be yours, is proper.<br>
<br>
3, You said (I think) that you acquired these from a bankruptcy. One<br>
of the expected costs of acquiring assets that way is that sometimes<br>
there are legal challenges. If you aren't willing to deal with the<br>
occasional legal challenge you should not procure assets that way. If<br>
your expectations were that that never happens, you were wrong in<br>
those assumptions to start with, and need to reconsider your business<br>
process.<br>
<br>
<br>
-george<br>
<br>
On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Jeffrey Lyon<br>
<<a href="mailto:jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net">jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> John,<br>
><br>
> You did not become involved until after our records were illegally changed,<br>
> so you're regarding the wrong POC as owner of these resources. We continue<br>
> to route them, and the POC listed does not operate a network so they cannot<br>
> legally hold these resources.<br>
><br>
> Thanks, Jeff<br>
><br>
> On Sep 20, 2012 11:01 AM, "John Curran" <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Sep 20, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Jeffrey Lyon <<a href="mailto:jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net">jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> John,<br>
>><br>
>> The unauthorized change preceded the failure of ARIN to assist in<br>
>> reverting the errorneous record. You're protecting the wrong party.<br>
>><br>
>> Jeffrey -<br>
>><br>
>> We've made to resource records from the authorized point-of-contact on<br>
>> the address block<br>
>> each time. Changes based instead on interpretation of contested legal<br>
>> documents requires<br>
>> some form of legal adjudication first.<br>
>><br>
>> Thank you,<br>
>> /John<br>
>><br>
>> John Curran<br>
>> President and CEO<br>
>> ARIN<br>
>><br>
>><br>
><br>
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