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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steven,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I can understand you frustration and can sympathize. I also understand the policy all too well as my organization did follow the procedure to obtain a /22
assignment. Consequently we did readdress at a reasonable pace and with good planning. Most ISPs require multiple year contracts to obtain optimal pricing so there is nothing here that your organization can’t overcome like the rest of us did. I don’t normally
get involved in these discussions as I don’t follow ARIN policy close enough to provide much insight, but in this particular instance the opinion of the community is what you asked for. I did my due diligence to get the assignment my organization has, just
like many other organizations like me. The path ARIN policy has you follow may not seem optimal for you, but it does have merit. It is my impression that you feel there is a hidden agenda to prevent your company from getting the IP addressing it is rightfully
owed. While I commend the effort to change policy you don’t believe in, threating legal action and questioning someone’s character are not the ways to make change. Like you said, constructive comments and active discussion are great, but you lose credibility
in my mind when you go beyond that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Christopher Zolla<br>
Assistant Director, Network Manager<br>
NEOnet<br>
(330)926-3900 ext. 601110<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steven Ryerse<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> McTim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Curran; ARIN PPML (ppml@arin.net) (ppml@arin.net)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I appreciate constructive comments. It certainly is good that ARIN tries to listen to the Internet community as that is who they serve. However they do this
voluntarily and the community does not have any real legal vote. The fact that the CEO & Board of Directors tries to listen to the community is of course positive but they have absolutely no legal requirement to do so. They are a US corporation of whatever
flavor and as such are actually bound by the corporate laws of the United States. The CEO and board have a fiduciary responsibility just like any corporation. It is their duty to honor that responsibility or they should not hold office. If there are policies
that are contrary to their mission they have a fiduciary responsibility to either change or remove the policy or they need to change the mission they were chartered under. I’m glad they exist and I have no beef with them as long as they do what they are chartered
to do. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It is pretty clear to me that they are doing the opposite of their mission in this instance. It does not destroy any trust if they do what they are chartered
to do. They sometimes make decisions that are not shared with the community and which may be at odds with this community, but as long as they are following their charter then it is their right and responsibility to do so. In this case there is a policy which
I believe is contrary to their mission and they should act accordingly which is their right and responsibility as well. I don’t know why you would think “He rightly can” if it is contrary to his mission. Why would you want him to do things contrary to his
mission? Make no sense. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Upstream does not meet our competitive needs. If this community does not decide to change this policy then the courts eventually will. Maybe my case will
be used by some smart attorney somewhere to do just that. Hopefully it won’t come to that as I hope reasonable ness prevails here!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steven L Ryerse<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">President<o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Eclipse Networks, Inc.</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><sup><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Conquering Complex Networks</span></sup><sup><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">℠</span></sup><sup><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></sup></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> McTim
<a href="mailto:[mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com]">[mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com]</a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 08, 2012 10:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steven Ryerse<br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Curran; ARIN PPML (<a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a>) (<a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a>)<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Steven,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:19 PM, Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com" target="_blank">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John, you seem to miss my point so let me be very clear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think you may be missing the point. ARIN is a body that supports a rule making community.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In addition to being the Secretariat for the community, they are the org that does the allocation and assigning according to community set policies.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There are policies in place. You are asking for the Secretariat to ignore them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> I HAVE ALREADY MADE A REASONABLE VALID REQUEST FOR INTERNET RESOURCES AND YOUR ORGANIZATION HAS
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<p class="MsoNormal">not valid according to current policy, so you can get policy changed OR follow Jimmy's advice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am formally requesting here and now that you review my request and approve it. That is the only
way I am going to drop my request. It is not reasonable to tell me to wait for months since others who get allocations don’t have to wait for months. What is reasonable is for you to go to your staff and have them reopen my request #20120801-X7252 and have
them allocate us the /22 IP v4 block requested. Simple. You definitely do have the power as President & CEO to do that if you decide to.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While that may be true, it would destroy a great deal of trust in the entire global Internet resource administration regime. In other words, you are demanding that the CEO override the policies that he has a duty to uphold in order for
you to get your data center going.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Then in the future when ARIN gets similar requests from others your staff should approve them as
well. That fulfills your mission!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It doesn't actually, since the mission includes following policies set by us (we are ARIN).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">He rightly can IMHO.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> Policies that originate from this community still have to be voted on and approved by you and your
board of directors as this community has no legal standing in your organization. That vote is what puts those policies in force and since you and your board of directors have the power to both approve, change, and remove policies without input from this community
- you can do so here if you want to. In fact you have a fiduciary duty to do just that if any policy currently in force is determined to be contrary to your mission, regardless of what this community thinks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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appropriate steps to rectify that ASAP.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m not going away. As I said in my first post we have to have these resources one way or the other
TO STAY IN BUSINESS. I prefer ARIN allocate them to us per my request through normal channels. If that request ultimately fails I will be forced to go off-channel and fulfill my request with a Legacy block that ARIN does not have an agreement on. Unfortunately
those are my only two choices.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">See the advice from others on a third way (getting an assignment from an upstream, at least for the short-term).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> If I’m forced to go that route then I will of course come back to your web site and make a request
for ARIN to update your database to show our new assignment of additional Legacy addresses. Requesting that from ARIN is the right and proper thing to do since I don’t want to hide anything or lie to ARIN in any way. If that request were to be denied then
I would come back to this community and ask for their help.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">John, the choice is yours, you can fulfill your mission and allocate resources or you can force us
to go elsewhere. I would appreciate it if you would approve our allocation request.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Actually the choice is yours, you can get a PA block from an upstream, work on changing policy, find a block on the transfer market, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Cheers,<br>
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McTim<br>
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A route indicates how we get there." Jon Postel<o:p></o:p></p>
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