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On Jun 28, 2012 4:17 AM, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Jun 28, 2012, at 3:05 AM, <<a href="mailto:jeffmehlenbacher@ipv4marketgroup.com">jeffmehlenbacher@ipv4marketgroup.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> > I understand your desire to sit tight and assess statistical evidence<br>
> > before suggesting a longer justification period is required. My concern<br>
> > with such a strategy is the decided lack of comprehensive transfer<br>
> > market data. We have only the ARIN Specified Transfer Listing Service<br>
> > (STLS) and ARIN Statistics on 8.3 transfers (# Requested / # Completed).<br>
> > Is there another source you would consider useful to assess the<br>
> > appropriateness of extending the 24 months justification period?<br>
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> I consider that adequate. (primarily the latter and not the former).<br>
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> > The STLS would suggest there is no market at all. In 2012, there was an<br>
> > update in February (a Facilitator was added) and two updates in June (a<br>
> > Facilitator was removed and another added). The last and only Seeker<br>
> > (Needer/Buyer) was December 2011 and it was a post-facto pre-approval of<br>
> > a public transaction in progress. Only two Listers (Sellers) have ever<br>
> > posted since November 2010...the most recent Lister being October 2011.<br>
> > It may be safe to say the STLS is a vehicle that doesn't attract<br>
> > interest and thus cannot be used as a reliable statistical measure for<br>
> > the purpose of monitoring the appropriateness of the current<br>
> > justification period. Now, if we implemented 60 months justification<br>
> > for a 1-year period and monitored uptake on the STLS for<br>
> > Listers/Seekers, that might be evidence that longer justification<br>
> > periods a) bring unused resources (listers) to market and b) bring<br>
> > organizations with need (seekers) forward.<br>
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> The fact that transfers have been completed would suggest that there is<br>
> a market at a time when rational policy would render one irrelevant or<br>
> at least nearly non-existant. So long as there is a free pool, policy which<br>
> makes transfers more attractive is contrary to the good of the community.<br>
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> Judging anything about specified transfers and policy effect therein is<br>
> premature until after free pool runout.<br>
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> > ARIN Statistics on 8.3 transfers further suggests the market is far from<br>
> > vibrant: 24 requested in 2011; 12 requested 2012 year-to-date. The<br>
> > issue with these statistics is the limited insight one can glean. Yes,<br>
> > the number of completed transfers is published but it is a running total<br>
> > and doesn't correspond directly, on a month to month basis, with the<br>
> > number of transfers requested. Further, we do not know anything about<br>
> > the recipient organizations including block size requested, previous<br>
> > ARIN customer or new ISP, ISP or End-User, size of last allocation from<br>
> > the free pool...and most importantly, whether 24 months was too short a<br>
> > window to obtain transfer approval.<br>
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> Far from vibrant is the desired and rational state prior to runout as far as<br>
> I am concerned, so I am not seeing the problem. I realize this doesn't<br>
> necessarily help your business model, but, I think it is in line with the<br>
> intent of the community. The market is currently competing against<br>
> essentially free allocations and assignments (after all, you have to pay<br>
> registration fees after you transfer through the market anyway, so,<br>
> there's no price advantage there). This means that the only advantage<br>
> to purchasing through the market at this time is the convenience of<br>
> a longer allocation or assignment period.<br>
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> This should result in a small and lack-luster market until free pool<br>
> exhaustion and as near as I can tell, the result is in line with that<br>
> intent.<br>
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> > So what statistical evidence will constitute success or failure of the<br>
> > current 24-month justification period?<br>
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> Let's see what the transfer statistics look like 6-12 months after ARIN<br>
> free pool exhaustion. At that point, if there are still not many transfers,<br>
> then I will accept that 8.3 is not working as intended. Until that time,<br>
> I would argue that increasing the number of transfers by skewing<br>
> policy to give undue advantage to market transfers over free pool<br>
> allocations/assignments is contrary to good stewardship.<br>
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> Owen<br>
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<p>+1 to Owen's comments.</p>
<p>Opposed to 176.</p>
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