<html><head></head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:06 AM, "Mike Burns" <<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>Also not standard:</div>
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<div>8.3 called for transfer from the seller to ARIN to be specifically
transferred to the buyer. Did Nortel ever transfer addresses to ARIN?</div>
<div>8.3 called for a single block</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Actually, due to a language error, 8.3 called for the justification to be expressed in a single block, but we as a community failed to communicate our intent in the letter of the policy.<div><br></div><div>Yes, the clear community intent was for the transfer to be a single block. However, in spite of that clear intent, the actual policy did not manage to state our intent. ARIN did the right thing in following the policy as written rather than attempting to apply fuzzy logic around what the community intended to say. The risks of ARIN second-guessing the communities wording would be far more damaging, IMHO.</div><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, subsequent attempts to correct the language were met with strong resistance and did not achieve consensus. Instead, we further defanged transfer policy by removing the single aggregate phrasing completely.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to propose policy to correctly restore that feature to 8.3, I would support it.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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<div>And lest we all forget, stupid, stupid Microsoft paid $7.5 million for
addresses which ARIN says they could have got from ARIN for free, because they
passed the justification test.</div>
<div> </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Did they? Or did they forgive $7.5 million in bad debt? I honestly don't know which is the actual case, but, while there are many adjectives I would routinely use to describe said organization, stupid is not one of them. </div><div><br></div><div>In the latter case, one could argue that they got quite the bargain as they arguably received full value instead of some (likely small) fraction of said debt as it was discharged in bankruptcy.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<div>It’s been over a year, and that transaction still smells.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>To some extent, yes, but as more information comes out, I believe it smells less and less.</div><div><br></div><div>I think the biggest problem with this one was the lack of transparency. I am inclined to believe (though I haven't seen it) that had ARIN been able to release the actual text of the agreement signed by the receiving party, there would be much less kerfuffle about this.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="mueller@syr.edu" href="mailto:mueller@syr.edu">Milton L Mueller</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 22, 2012 12:45 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="scottleibrand@gmail.com" href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">Scott Leibrand</a> ; <a title="SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com" href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com">Steven Ryerse</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All
Resourcesin the Registry</div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
love this understatement from Scott: “the only thing non-standard about the
Nortel-Microsoft transfer was that Microsoft signed the LRSA instead of the
RSA.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">To
put it more directly, ARIN abandon its policies. We all know what happened here.
ARIN begged MSFT not to go ahead with the transaction without acknowledging its
policies. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">MSFT
was offered an LRSA instead of being required to sign an RSA, as the 8.3
transfer policy clearly states it should, as part of the bargaining process.
MSFT agreed to do that, even though it didn’t have to, to be a good citizen.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Problem
now is, major legacy buyers are in a situation of individually bargaining with
ARIN; there is no generally applicable policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New','serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Yeah,
that’s “non-standard” <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">
<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Scott Leibrand<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:20 PM<br><b>To:</b>
Steven Ryerse<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re:
[arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-174 Policies Apply to All Resources in the
Registry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Steven Ryerse <<a href="mailto:SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com" target="_blank">SRyerse@eclipse-networks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to be treated the same as Microsoft and sign
the same agreement they got to sign from ARIN (I've never read it) and not
have to prove I need the addresses like they didn't have to. This means
I think everyone should be treated equally by ARIN in every transfer. Of
course if Microsoft has to prove they need them then of course I'd be happy to
prove I need them too - but I don't think Microsoft did have to prove their
need and ARIN ended up being a party to the transaction.
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<p class="MsoNormal">ARIN has publicly stated that Microsoft had to follow the
policy that requires needs justification, just as any other transfer recipient
would have to do. AFAIK (and I'm only aware of what's been publicly posted
here to PPML and at public policy meetings) the only thing non-standard about
the Nortel-Microsoft transfer was that Microsoft signed the LRSA instead of the
RSA. And since the only real remaining difference between the two is the
fee schedule, that is definitely not a policy matter.<o:p></o:p></p></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div>
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