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On 07-Jun-12 16:42, William Herrin wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On 6/7/12, Bill Sandiford <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bill@telnetcommunications.com"><bill@telnetcommunications.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">So just out of curiosity, and certainly not proposing this, would do you expect the outcome would be if the community passed a policy that stated that ARIN would no longer maintain registrations in its databases for registrants with which no contract exists?
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Assuming the Board lost its collective mind and the membership allowed
it to happen...
1. Someone or several someones (possibly including me) would set up
unofficial "legacy whois" servers whose only purpose is to document
the legacy registrations.</pre>
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Who would pay for this service? And how would its operators decide
policy, who gets to be included, resolve disputes, etc.?<br>
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Note that most legacy holders have already proven unwilling to pay
for the community to do any of these things or agree (in writing) to
abide by the community's rules. What makes you think they would be
willing to do so in the case of a third-party registrar that didn't
even have ARIN's veneer of authority as successor registrar?<br>
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<pre wrap="">Some few ISPs might play along with ARIN, but most would consult one or a few of the legacy databases when determining whether to route a customer's addresses.</pre>
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Are you sure about that? And what do you think ISPs would do when
those alternative registrars disagree on who the proper registrant
is?<br>
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<pre wrap="">2. Sued by the class of legacy registrants, ARIN would NOT be
compelled to provide services to folks who are not under contract,
past courtesies notwithstanding. But see #4...</pre>
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I agree.<br>
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<pre wrap="">3. Granting declaratory relief, the same court would enjoin ARIN from
reissuing legacy space to new recipients or reporting that the blocks
are in use by anyone other than the original registrants.</pre>
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That's a reasonable temporary measure a court could take while the
suits were pending. However, in the meantime, these registrations
would <i>not</i> be visible in ARIN's database, which has effects
on how ISPs would treat them, and they'd become even more of a
magnet for spammers et al than they already are.<br>
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<pre wrap="">4. ARIN's primacy over RDNS for the legacy /8's would be challenged,
in some combination of court and administrative proceedings with DOC.
Bet on ARIN blinking first. With contracted registrants in the same
/8's; ARIN has more to lose. After #3 it won't be worth the fight.</pre>
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I don't see DOC/IANA/ICANN pulling ARIN's RDNS delegations if there
are still contracted registrants to be served.<br>
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<pre wrap="">In short, it would fracture the registry ultimately leaving someone
other than ARIN responsible for documenting the legacy space. At least
that's what it looks like in my crystal ball.
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I disagree. RIPE and APNIC already went through this (i.e.
dictating that legacy registrants had to pay for service like
everyone else), with AFAIK no complains from above, so there is
precedent for allowing it to happen. The sky did not fall.<br>
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CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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