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arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Scott Leibrand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, February 28, 2012
7:56 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> William Herrin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">arin-ppml@arin.net</st1:PersonName>
List<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-ppml] 2011-7
Status FAIL</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 5:21 PM, William Herrin <<a
href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt'>On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at
6:38 PM, Chris Grundemann <<a href="mailto:cgrundemann@gmail.com">cgrundemann@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> FYI: The intent of adding the reverse DNS hook was twofold. First, as<br>
> you very correctly observe, it should help grab attention when needed<br>
> as an intermediate step before revoking resources, kind of a last<br>
> chance mechanism. The other intent is to grab attention when<br>
> revocation is too extreme, such as a failure to register downstream<br>
> delegations in WHOIS. As a community, we have identified time and<br>
> again the need for an accurate WHOIS. This "penny ante"
mechanism may<br>
> help ARIN to ensure that the WHOIS database is as accurate and<br>
> complete as possible.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Chris,<br>
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I can't think of a single hypothetical case in which revocation is too<br>
extreme but canceling RDNS is an appropriate punishment.<br>
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WHOIS isn't up to snuff? Not taking ARIN's complaints seriously? Issue<br>
a revocation with the policy 6-months to renumber out of the block. If<br>
WHOIS magically improves and they pay ARIN's auditing costs so that<br>
the rest of us don't get burned by the bad behavior, then clearly<br>
there's no further need to complete the revocation.<br>
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I'm okay with RDNS revocation as a last ditch "we couldn't get in<br>
touch with you any other way" measure, but that use isn't punitive. As<br>
a punitive measure, RDNS revocation is, frankly, beneath ARIN's<br>
dignity.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Not sure if a non-profit has dignity, but otherwise I would tend to
agree with Bill here. I'm uncomfortable *requiring* ARIN to stop
providing reverse DNS <st1:PersonName w:st="on">service</st1:PersonName>s.
If we want to give ARIN permission to do so, fine. (I don't think
they'll abuse that tool, or even use it much.) But I'm still unconvinced
that requiring them to do so serves any useful purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>[kjk] To my way of thinking, it is a no-op to include policy
“may” in absence of a “may-not”. Without policy
preventing ARIN from modifying or removing RDNS they already “may”
do so. Specifically allowing something that is not prohibited is just fluff.</span></font></i></b><font
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>So I'm fine with "If an organization fails to respond within
thirty (30) days, ARIN may cease providing reverse DNS <st1:PersonName w:st="on">service</st1:PersonName>s
to that organization." But I would strike "If progress of resource
returns or record corrections has not occurred within sixty (60) days after
ARIN initiated contact, ARIN shall cease providing reverse DNS <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">service</st1:PersonName>s for the resources in question."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>It's also worth noting that I support the new 12.4 language, adding
"update reassignment information or" so it reads "Organizations
found by ARIN to be out of compliance with current ARIN policy shall be
required to update reassignment information or return resources as needed to
bring them into (or reasonably close to) compliance."<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'>-Scott<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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