<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Oct 2, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 09:18:33PM +0000, John Curran wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Alas, the policy makes clear that there must be a compelling need.<br></blockquote><br>For the record, the policy says absolutely nothing about a compelling <br>need. It lists some examples of why some organizations require multiple <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Um... Here's the policy:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 19px; "><h4 style="margin-top: 1em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 12px !important; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">4.5. Multiple Discrete Networks</h4><div style="margin-top: 0.5em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; ">Organizations with multiple discrete networks desiring to request new or additional address space under a single Organization ID must meet the following criteria:</div><ol style="margin-top: 0.5em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 30px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b style="font-size: 24px; ">The organization must have compelling criteria for creating discrete networks. </b>Examples of a discrete network might include:<ol style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0.25em; margin-bottom: 0.25em; margin-left: 0.25em; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 30px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; 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margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; list-style-type: lower-alpha; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Geographic distance and diversity between networks,</li><li style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; list-style-type: lower-alpha; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">Autonomous multihomed discrete networks.</li></ol></li><li style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">The organization must keep detailed records on how it has allocated space to each location, including the date of each allocation.</li><li style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">When applying for additional internet address registrations from ARIN, the organization must demonstrate utilization greater than 50% of both the last block allocated and the aggregate sum of all blocks allocated from ARIN to that organization. If an organization is unable to satisfy this 50% minimum utilization criteria, the organization may alternatively qualify for additional internet address registrations by having all unallocated blocks of addresses smaller than ARIN's current minimum allocation size.</li><li style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">The organization may not allocate additional address space to a location until each of that location's address blocks are 80% utilized.</li><li style="margin-top: 0.25em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">The organization should notify ARIN at the time of the request their desire to apply this policy to their account.</li></ol><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I've added just a little emphasis and increased the font size of 4.5.2 in the hopes that it will allow you to see the part of the policy you apparently failed to read.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span><blockquote type="cite"><div>discrete networks, says that you need to prove a compelling reason for <br>doing it, and has a states a bunch of of other requirements which must <br>be met to use the policy. If all of these line up, I fail to understand <br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Admittedly, it uses the word criteria instead of reason, but, I think picking</div><div>apart the synonyms really isn't necessary. The meaning seems relatively</div><div>clear to me and it indicates that you need a compelling reason (criteria)</div><div>for not giving the networks a common routing policy.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>how you can exclude an organization based on a requirement which DOESN'T <br>exist in the policy. You've also refused to address the point that if <br>this rule was actually applied anywhere else, it would exclude almost <br>every other applicant.<br><br></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Since the requirement does exist in the policy, QED, the rest is specious.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></body></html>