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class=953021815-21062011>Mike,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=953021815-21062011>Thanks for your reply and the crispness with which you
stated your objection. I think this is precisely the sort of feedback I
and the community are looking for (and need) in order to go into the Philly
meeting with a chance to finally debate the really pertinent sticking points,
resolve to act, and do so to get an Inter-RIR transfer policy in
place.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Mike Burns
[mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:14
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Bill Darte; arin ppml<BR><B>Cc:</B> Robert E.
Seastrom<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2011-1 - Inter-RIR
Transfers - Shepherd'sInquiry<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Bill,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Opposed because it prevents the regions with the
largest number of allocations from transferring to the region with the highest
demand due to language about needs-based policies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stewards of these resources should seek
cooperation between regions and not seek to exacerbate nuances of difference
about views of stewardship at the cost of ostracizing those who think
differently.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is it really necessary to poke APNIC in the eye
just because their stewards consider these needs policies a risk to Whois
accuracy?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even if we believe their conclusion is wrong, is
it worth the discord engendered by the proposed language?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can't we operate on the basis that each registry
community is acting as honest stewards and not erect barriers when we
disagree?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I mean, we still have to agree to any transfers.
Leaving us free to make decisions based on individual circumstances, rather
than explicitly excluding all Asian transfers.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>All we are doing is driving such transfers
underground.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>(Since Bill is looking for concise feedback and
not a rehash of prior discussions, please consider my questions
rhetorical.)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Maybe I would change the language from
"needs-based policies on behalf of entities" to "needs-based policies applying
to entities" because I think it is more accurate.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Burns</FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=BillD@cait.wustl.edu href="mailto:BillD@cait.wustl.edu">Bill
Darte</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">arin ppml</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=rs@seastrom.com
href="mailto:rs@seastrom.com">Robert E. Seastrom</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:30
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [arin-ppml] Draft Policy
2011-1 - Inter-RIR Transfers - Shepherd'sInquiry</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><SPAN lang=EN>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=296371014-21062011>Hello,</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=296371014-21062011>Please provide you
immediate, concise feeback which states your position <U>for or against the
DP as changed</U> from its earlier version and any reasoning you may wish to
provide.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=296371014-21062011></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
class=296371014-21062011>I am proposing that the original <A
href="https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2011_1.html">Draft Policy
2011-1: Globally Coordinated Transfer Policy</A> ....</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=296371014-21062011>Be renamed....
Draft Policy 2011-1: Inter-RIR Transfers...</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=296371014-21062011>and that the DP
text be modified to the following to accommodate the many insights and
concerns shared with me and the AC by members of the community and the AC
itself.</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=296371014-21062011>"</SPAN>Address resources may be
transferred.... in or out of the ARIN region to those who demonstrate need
and plan to deploy them for a networking purpose within 3 months. Such
transfers will take place between RIRs who share compatible<SPAN
class=020093710-14062011>,</SPAN> needs-based policies on behalf of entities
agreeing to the transfer and which otherwise meet both RIR's policies.
Transferred resources will become part of the resource holdings of the
recipient RIR unless otherwise agreed by both RIRs.<SPAN
class=296371014-21062011>"</SPAN></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=020093710-14062011>Reasoning....</SPAN>It is explicit
about..</FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>in or out of region,<BR>that transfers are
between RIRs that support needs-based policies, <BR>that RIRs have to agree,
<BR>that parties meet all of both RIR policies <BR>that it is needs based,
and the need is for a networking purpose, <BR>that the receiving RIR is
entitled to the addresses</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think all these details were raised as
objections at one time or another...so it seems best to waste a few more
words to be explicit.</FONT></P>
<P><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is not explicit
about...<BR>block sizes<BR>utilization of prior allocations, assignments or
transfers<BR>RFC 2050<BR>subsequent transfers</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nor should it be,
IMO</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><SPAN class=296371014-21062011><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Thank you for your continuing involvement in the ARIN
Policy Development Process.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><SPAN class=296371014-21062011><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Best,</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=020093710-14062011><SPAN class=296371014-21062011><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Bill Darte<BR>Primary Shepherd DP
2011-1</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></P></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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