<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>ARIN deaggregates /8s into /22s and /20s today, so that's not really much different. It seems that any restriction needs to be on the recipient getting a bunch of deaggregates, not on a large block holder transferring to lots of smaller recipients. <br>
<br><div>Scott</div></div><div><br>On May 30, 2011, at 7:16 PM, "Frank Bulk" <<a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That’s a good goal, but how does this policy manage disaggregation where a larger block owner has the opportunity to sell to different buyers? For example, the owner of a /8 that has an unused /10 could sell /12’s to four different buyers. On one hand there’s a desire to minimize disaggregation, on the other hand if there’s unused space that others with a validated need could use, why not.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Frank</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Owen DeLong [mailto:<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 30, 2011 11:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com"><a href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a></a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><p class="MsoNormal">If they can find two /15s that started out as /15s, then there's no problem. The issue comes if they, for example,</p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">find someone with a /8 and want to get two disparate /15s from within that /8. The intent here is to require</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">the /8 holder to renumber enough to make a contiguous /14 available rather than transferring two disparate</p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal">/15s and disaggregating them.</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Owen</p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On May 29, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:</p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m confused. If an organization can demonstrate need for a /14 and they can only find a /15 in the market today, why should they have to wait a whole year if they can find another /15 just a few months later? Why should we penalize them for the fact that the supply at the time of need is low? Is it because you want someone else with demonstrable need to get that second /15? If that’s the case, won’t that be based on who’s willing to pay top dollar for that /15? </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Frank</span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net"><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, May 29, 2011 10:46 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Brett Frankenberger<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net"><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-153 Correct erroneous syntax in NRPM 8.3</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><snip></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
</div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What I would think makes more sense as policy would be:</p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-left:30.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Organizations may transfer multiple address blocks but</p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">no organization shall receive more than one address block</p>
</div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">per year where said address block is smaller</p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">than its original registered size.</p></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><snip></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">
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