<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">It doesn't surprise me to see that we will disagree on this.<div><br></div><div>Since you are opposed to needs-basis in general, I don't expect you to understand</div><div>the need to preserve it here or to agree with it.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On May 25, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Mike Burns wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">RIPE requires their final /8 to be distributed in /22 chunks, and you have to already have an IPv6 allocation.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">What if they regard us as not having compatible needs requirements?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">What is to be gained by including that language, except to engender Inter-RIR conflict?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">The wording already includes both RIRs to approve the transfer.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">There is no definition in the policy or elsewhere in the NRPM of "compatible" needs policies.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I don't see the point in including it.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="owen@delong.com" href="mailto:owen@delong.com">Owen DeLong</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="frnkblk@iname.com" href="mailto:frnkblk@iname.com">frnkblk@iname.com</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">ARIN-PPML List</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:00 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Integrating Draft Policy ARIN-2011-1 into NRPM 8.3</div><div><br></div>I would prefer since we are venturing into inter-RIR territory to have this policy be as specific and complete<div>as possible and stand alone to the greatest possible extent. In this case, I think excessive clarity where</div><div>practicable is worth while.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On May 24, 2011, at 8:35 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="widows: 2; text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: normal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: 2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="purple" link="blue"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Since currently ARIN policy implements the needs-basis, isn’t mentioning that requirement in 2011-1 redundant? Or are you concerned that some ARIN policies might remove the needs-basis requirement and you want to preserve the requirement in the inter-RIR transfer?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Frank<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "><o:p></o:p></span></div><div><div style="border-bottom-style: none; padding-bottom: 0in; border-right-style: none; padding-left: 0in; padding-right: 0in; border-left-style: none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-style: solid; padding-top: 3pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Owen DeLong<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, May 24, 2011 12:47 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott Leibrand<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ARIN-PPML List<br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Integrating Draft Policy ARIN-2011-1 into NRPM 8.3<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I still would prefer to see the needs-basis comment preserved as well.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Owen<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On May 23, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Scott Leibrand wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">So perhaps:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">+ to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's service region, if both RIRs agree and the request meets both RIRs' transfer policies.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I agree it's useful to preserve discretion. I think I might prefer this to the text I originally had below... Thoughts?<br><br>Scott<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br>On May 23, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I prefer to preserve the safety valve of requiring agreement from both RIRs.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Owen<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On May 23, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Why don’t we change the second point to:</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">+ to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's service<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">region, if the request meets both RIRS’ transfer policies.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; ">Frank</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt; "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><blockquote style="border-bottom-style: none; padding-bottom: 0in; border-right-style: none; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; padding-left: 6pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-style: none; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-bottom-style: none; padding-bottom: 0in; border-right-style: none; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; padding-left: 4pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-style: none; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">----- Original Message -----</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><a title="scottleibrand@gmail.com" href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Scott Leibrand</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">To:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><a title="owen@delong.com" href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Owen DeLong</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "><a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ARIN-PPML List</a></span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Monday, May 23, 2011 5:21 PM</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; "> </span></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Re: [arin-ppml] Integrating Draft Policy ARIN-2011-1 into NRPM 8.3</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I could support this, but, I have a couple of lingering concerns.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">I think that the last sentence dictates too much in the case of a transfer to another region and should only apply to transfers within the ARIN region.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. Possible slight revision inline below...<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-bottom-style: none; padding-bottom: 0in; border-right-style: none; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; padding-left: 6pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-style: none; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">On May 23, 2011, at 15:54, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">In light of the discomfort a number of community and AC members feel with the original 2011-1 text, I thought I'd make an attempt at integrating it into the framework of NRPM 8.3, to see if the result would be tighter and less ambiguous. Here's what I came up with:<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients<br><br>In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer:<o:p></o:p></div></div><ul type="disc" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0in; "><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">to a specified organizational recipient within the ARIN region, or <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">to another RIR, for transfer to a specified organizational recipient in that RIR's service region, if the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible, needs-based transfer policies.<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies. <o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">How about "<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Such number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN, or recipient RIR, policies." ?</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">Or, feel free to suggest text...</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; ">-Scott</span><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-bottom-style: none; padding-bottom: 0in; border-right-style: none; margin-top: 5pt; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 5pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; padding-left: 6pt; padding-right: 0in; border-top-style: none; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; "><div><div><div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">For reference, existing policy reads:<br>8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients<br><br>In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources within the ARIN region may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer to another specified organizational recipient. Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; "><o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">And original 2011-1 text reads:<o:p></o:p></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">Any RIR's resource registrant may transfer IPv4 addresses to the resource registrant of another RIR as long as the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible, needs-based transfer policies that exercise Internet stewardship consistent with the values expressed in RFC2050.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt; "><div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; font-size: 12pt; ">_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@arin.net</a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0in; 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