<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><div><div>So perhaps:</div><div><br></div><div>+ to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's service region, if both RIRs agree and the request meets both RIRs' transfer policies.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I agree it's useful to preserve discretion. I think I might prefer this to the text I originally had below... Thoughts?<br><br>Scott</div><div><br>On May 23, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"></a><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a></a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I prefer to preserve the safety valve of requiring agreement from both RIRs.<div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On May 23, 2011, at 8:53 PM, Frank Bulk wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">+ to another RIR, for transfer to a specified recipient in that RIR's service</div>
<div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">region, if the request meets both RIRS’ transfer policies.</div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank" title="scottleibrand@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Scott Leibrand</a></span></div>
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</div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Integrating Draft Policy ARIN-2011-1 into NRPM 8.3</span></div>
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On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "></a><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"></a><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a></a>> wrote:</div>
<div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">I could support this, but, I have a couple of lingering concerns.</div>
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I think that the last sentence dictates too much in the case of a transfer to another region and should only apply to transfers within the ARIN region.</div></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">
</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Yeah, I was wondering about that myself. Possible slight revision inline below...</div>
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<div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 12pt; ">On May 23, 2011, at 15:54, Scott Leibrand <<a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "></a><a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com"></a><a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">scottleibrand@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:</p>
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In light of the discomfort a number of community and AC members feel with the original 2011-1 text, I thought I'd make an attempt at integrating it into the framework of NRPM 8.3, to see if the result would be tighter and less ambiguous. Here's what I came up with:</div>
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8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients<br><br>In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer:</div><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0in; ">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">to a specified organizational recipient within the ARIN region, or </li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; ">to another RIR, for transfer to a specified organizational recipient in that RIR's service region, if the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible, needs-based transfer policies.</li>
</ul><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies. </div>
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</div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">How about "<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Such number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN, or recipient RIR, policies." ?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Or, feel free to suggest text...</span></div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">
</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">-Scott</span></div>
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</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">For reference, existing policy reads:<br>8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients<br>
<br>In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources within the ARIN region may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer to another specified organizational recipient. Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies.</div>
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And original 2011-1 text reads:</div></div><div><div style="margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">Any RIR's resource registrant may transfer IPv4 addresses to the resource registrant of another RIR as long as the two RIRs agree and maintain compatible, needs-based transfer policies that exercise Internet stewardship consistent with the values expressed in RFC2050.</div>
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