<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 19, 2011, at 11:44 AM, Mike Burns wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Blake,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">How many times have I been accused of shirking stewardship, or abandoning it?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I have asked that posters refrain from that flammable language, but yet it persists.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>FWIW, I did not take your post as a personal attack.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">There was also Owen's point about not making policy for personal reasons, only for the good of the community.</font></div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I read that as an elliptical personal attack, and consistent with his attempt to paint me as a poor steward and as somebody who is trying to make policy for selfish and not community reasons.</font></div><div> </div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>It was not intended as such and I apologize if it came across that way. My point is that your policy</div><div>would serve the interest of a select few well capitalized organizations significantly better than</div><div>the interests of the overall community. I really haven't intended to paint you as a poor steward,</div><div>merely to point out that your proposal is a step away from stewardship for the sake of the entire</div><div>community and towards stewardship that favors the mightiest few among the community as</div><div>defined by capitalization.</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Nonetheless, I see your point and apologize for my personal attacks and resolve to end them and not try to yell louder and sling mud.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>No apology needed as far as I was concerned, but, maybe I'm just too thick-skinned to realize</div><div>I got attacked. ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div>----- Original Message -----</div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ikiris@gmail.com" href="mailto:ikiris@gmail.com">Blake Dunlap</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 19, 2011 2:34 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate</div><div><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 13:08, Mike Burns<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Hi Owen,</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I'm top-posting because it's too hard to keep this readable with the black vertical lines on the left side.</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I guess we can let Geoff Huston speak for himself:</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><a href="http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2008-11/transfers.html" target="_blank">http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2008-11/transfers.html</a></font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">As to Microsoft planning leading them to purchasing the same exact need as ARIN's particular application of its policies at the time of the transaction?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Please.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Remember that Microsoft was an arms-length negotiator who was solicited by the address broker in the deal along with 80 other companies.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">So Microsoft's planning was so excellent that they could find the exact amount of addresses they needed in the form of the very first public sale of legacy addresses ever recorded?</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">That's believable!</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">And their excellent planning staff, whose decision so exactly matched ARIN's ex-post-facto analysis, failed to inform management that they could save $7.5 million by getting them directly from ARIN?</font></div><div class="im"><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"> "I suppose since I favor a faster migration to IPv6, I should probably support<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></font>the greater disruption to IPv4 brought about by your policy, but, in the interests of the community, I just can't bring myself to do so."</font></div><div> </div></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">lol. Sounds like you're shirking your longterm stewardship duties there.</font></div><div> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Mike</font><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>You were much more persuasive before you started resorting to personal attacks. I even agree with your goal somewhat, just not the current plan for getting there, or many of your justifications for such. You will have much better luck actually listening to others and working with them, instead of just yelling louder and slinging mud.<br><br>As stated however, I strongly agree with Owen that this current policy is a nightmare for the community as written.<br><br>-Blake<br></div></div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><hr><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>