<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 19, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Mike Burns wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Blake,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Is having an emergency supplier of IP addresses a negative for the community?</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>If they are charging a premium for those addresses and preventing them from being used by others with need in order to create</div><div>that emergency supply, then, yes.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Is having a temporary supplier of IP addresses a negative for the community?</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>If they are preventing the IPs from going to permanent uses with need and laying dormant in between temporary needs, then,</div><div>yes.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Is having a supplier for long-range plans a negative for the community?</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>If they are supporting the long range plans of a few at the detriment of the short term needs of the many, then, yes.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Is this what stewarship has become, having a few elites making these kinds of decisions about which businesses the community finds positive or negative?</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>That is not a valid characterization of what is going on or of the PDP in my opinion.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial">What's wrong with letting the bad ones go broke and the good ones succeed as measures of their positive or negative attributes?</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Cash is not the ultimate arbiter of communal good. Every attempt to make it so has failed miserably.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="ikiris@gmail.com" href="mailto:ikiris@gmail.com">Blake Dunlap</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="mike@nationwideinc.com" href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">Mike Burns</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="tvest@eyeconomics.com" href="mailto:tvest@eyeconomics.com">Tom Vest</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, May 19, 2011 7:17 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] IPv4 Transfer Policy Change to Keep Whois Accurate</div><div><br></div>On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 18:10, Mike Burns<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><div>What difference does it make if space is sitting in a broker's inventory or the inventory of ARIN's STLS? What about the many other examples I gave where the current needs requirement would not be met? Like temporary use, emergency suppliers, lessors, or those with planning horizons longer than ARIIN dictat?<br></div></blockquote><div><br>All of these have been previously responded to, just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean it hasn't already been answered.<br><br>As a recap, every example you have listed above is a negative for the community for the benefit of one actor, or completely unrelated to what you are trying to push in this proposal.<br><br>-Blake<br></div></div></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></body></html>