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<div>As one of the AC shepherds for the proposals that were abandoned, I would offer one suggestion. Feel free to vet the proposal language you are considering here on this list prior to submitting an actual proposal. That is what this list is for. It would
also help refine the scope that Keith mentions, and avoid the confusion that earlier proposals created. It is much easier to refine and evolve policy language on the ppml before it becomes part of the PDP process. </div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; "><span style="font-family: Calibri; ">If you look </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">back to proposals 133, 134, and 136, they suggested
that resource holders </span><span style="font-family: Calibri; ">could opt-in, opt-out, or find the lowest common denominator to establish </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">claim. </span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">While
this would allow for what you propose, they offered none of the oversight that you advocate, which is also why there was such a cold reception. </span></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">You can see how a competing registry, that is operating properly, could do so in a complimentary manner to the
RIR. One thing people will have issue with is how the overall model can exist with the individuals who would try to create registries that would not apply similar standards of operation. Without any protections, the ISP's who would have to rely on this data
would not be able to depend on the overall system (not referring to any particular registry) which is the shift in burden I mentioned in an earlier post. </span></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">While people may have issues with the quality of whois, or registration of assignments, there is an upside to
the current system. In this region, data points to ARIN and anyone can get involved, change the rules, and try and hold ARIN accountable. In the distributed model that is proposed, accountability is spread out, and the ability to resolve conflicts or issues
becomes much harder. These are the kind of concerns that need to be addressed in order to gain momentum on a change of this scale. </span></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">I hope this helps.</span></span></div>
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<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Consolas; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Calibri; ">Dan Alexander</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Keith W. Hare" <<a href="mailto:Keith@jcc.com">Keith@jcc.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tue, 3 May 2011 13:56:28 -0400<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of fundamental conflictofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to ICANN<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">So far, we have seen only bits of policy proposals that hint at the idea of competing private address registries. Without a policy proposal that
covers all of the details, we are left to extrapolate the remaining pieces. This extrapolation may or may not be what competing address registry proponents have in mind, but until we see a full policy proposal, we are left with only perceptions of your (and
others) motivations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Keith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mike Burns<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Sweeting<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of fundamental conflictofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>It really is as easy as rounding up all the support you can muster, have that support join PPML, submit the proposal that you would like see made policy and then have your support show their support through PPML and the next PPM.
Is there a reason you do not want to follow that process? It might help gain support if you provided your underlying motivation(s).</strong><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; "><br>
<strong><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">-John Sweeting</span></strong></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">Hi John,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">My interest is in having a market for the buying and selling of IP addresses free from government and psuedo-government restrictions like taxes and justification requirements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I think this will best serve the interests of a community long held in thrall to the vision of an IPv6 transition that simply has not occurred in anything like the predicted
timeframe.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I would prefer that any support I find not be motivated by perceptions of my motivations, just my words and ideas.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I voiced support for the concept of having a informed higher authority make the decision about competing registries requested in the letter which started the thread. I support
competing registries because I believe that their competitive forces will move the market towards freedom, and because presumably a competing registry could decide its own, more liberal transfer policy.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">My understanding is that one way to get that accomplished, and I will accede it would be the better way, would be for the participants in policy making in all 5 RIRs come together
to forge a policy allowing for competing private registries.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">But I think that is like expecting Network Solutions to have voted for competing DNS registrars. Unlikely to happen due to institutional conflicts of interest.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(I understand that NetSol was not a community run org like the RIRs, but I see a natural institutional conflict between those who dominate a closed market and those who seek
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(And yes, this is also a commentary on the tiny number of participants who seem to people the RIR executive positions, and by extension the tiny groups of vocal participants
in the RIR-PPML process.)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">(And yes, I have lost trust in ARIN staff since the MS/Nortel debacle)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">But nobody seems too sure what that higher authority is, and of course some participants see the community of RIR-PPML participants as the highest authority of all.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">I didn't write that letter, nor do I have any relationship with the writer of the letter, to my knowledge I have never met, conversed, or emailed with him.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">As for changing policy in the ARIN region, that is my intent, and I have heard from another poster who is interested in co-sponsoring a proposal designed to create a free market
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; ">So I will work with him to do just as you say, round up support and see if we can get a proposal that passes muster with the PPML and can be included in the next PPM.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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