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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Hi Dan,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Yes, I do support the kind of oversight recommended
in the letter, using as a model the requirements to be a DNS
registrar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Perhaps this alone is justification for the highest
level decisionmaking.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Since a competing registry would be on the same
level as the existing RIR's, in effect we would be asking the RIRs to oversee
themselves if we allowed the RIRs to decide the issue, whether at the RIR or ASO
level.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><EM>Quis custodiet ipsos
custodes?</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I do understand and appreciate the beauty of the
non-governmental approach to Internet governance.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think the many kinds of conflicts you reference
in your last paragraph are likely to be sorted out around the world in courts
and legislatures, which I think are probably better suited to that task than
ARIN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Much like the evolution (or de-evolution) of the
Domain Name System.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I will certainly vet any policy proposal I offer
here, though can you give me an idea of the timeframe for proposals to be
considered at the next AC meeting, should enough support manifest on the
list?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=Daniel_Alexander@Cable.Comcast.com
href="mailto:Daniel_Alexander@Cable.Comcast.com">Alexander, Daniel</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 03, 2011 2:49 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation
of fundamentalconflictofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to
ICANN</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Mike,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As one of the AC shepherds for the proposals that were abandoned, I would
offer one suggestion. Feel free to vet the proposal language you are
considering here on this list prior to submitting an actual proposal. That is
what this list is for. It would also help refine the scope that Keith
mentions, and avoid the confusion that earlier proposals created. It is much
easier to refine and evolve policy language on the ppml before it becomes part
of the PDP process. </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"><BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">If you
look </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>back to proposals 133, 134, and 136, they suggested
that resource holders </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri">could
opt-in, opt-out, or find the lowest common denominator to
establish </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>claim. </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>While this would allow for what you propose, they
offered none of the oversight that you advocate, which is also why there was
such a cold reception. </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>You can see how a competing registry, that is operating
properly, could do so in a complimentary manner to the RIR. One thing people
will have issue with is how the overall model can exist with the individuals
who would try to create registries that would not apply similar standards of
operation. Without any protections, the ISP's who would have to rely on this
data would not be able to depend on the overall system (not referring to any
particular registry) which is the shift in burden I mentioned in an earlier
post. </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>While people may have issues with the quality of whois,
or registration of assignments, there is an upside to the current system. In
this region, data points to ARIN and anyone can get involved, change the
rules, and try and hold ARIN accountable. In the distributed model that is
proposed, accountability is spread out, and the ability to resolve conflicts
or issues becomes much harder. These are the kind of concerns that need to be
addressed in order to gain momentum on a change of this
scale. </SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>I hope this helps.</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span><BR></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"
class=Apple-style-span><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri"
class=Apple-style-span>Dan Alexander</SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Consolas; FONT-SIZE: medium"><FONT
class=Apple-style-span face=Calibri>ARIN AC- speaking only for
myself</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From: </SPAN>"Keith W. Hare" <<A
href="mailto:Keith@jcc.com">Keith@jcc.com</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Date: </SPAN>Tue, 3 May 2011 13:56:28 -0400<BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: </SPAN>Mike Burns <<A
href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</A>>, "<A
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A>" <<A
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A>><BR><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: </SPAN>Re: [arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of
fundamental conflictofinterest/IPaddress policy pitched directly to
ICANN<BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Calibri, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">So
far, we have seen only bits of policy proposals that hint at the idea of
competing private address registries. Without a policy proposal that covers
all of the details, we are left to extrapolate the remaining pieces. This
extrapolation may or may not be what competing address registry proponents
have in mind, but until we see a full policy proposal, we are left with only
perceptions of your (and others) motivations.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A
href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</A> [<A
href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mike Burns<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 03, 2011 1:23
PM<BR><B>To:</B> John Sweeting<BR><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[arin-ppml] Fw: Accusation of fundamental conflictofinterest/IPaddress policy
pitched directly to ICANN<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><STRONG>It really is as easy as rounding up all the support
you can muster, have that support join PPML, submit the proposal that you
would like see made policy and then have your support show their support
through PPML and the next PPM. Is there a reason you do not want to follow
that process? It might help gain support if you provided your underlying
motivation(s).</STRONG><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"><BR><STRONG><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif">-John
Sweeting</SPAN></STRONG></SPAN></B><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi
John,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My interest is in
having a market for the buying and selling of IP addresses free from
government and psuedo-government restrictions like taxes and justification
requirements.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I think this will best
serve the interests of a community long held in thrall to the vision of an
IPv6 transition that simply has not occurred in anything like the predicted
timeframe.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I would prefer that
any support I find not be motivated by perceptions of my motivations,
just my words and ideas.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I voiced support for
the concept of having a informed higher authority make the decision about
competing registries requested in the letter which started the thread. I
support competing registries because I believe that their competitive forces
will move the market towards freedom, and because presumably a competing
registry could decide its own, more liberal transfer
policy.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">My understanding is
that one way to get that accomplished, and I will accede it would be the
better way, would be for the participants in policy making in all 5 RIRs
come together to forge a policy allowing for competing private
registries.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">But I think that is
like expecting Network Solutions to have voted for competing DNS
registrars. Unlikely to happen due to institutional conflicts of interest.
</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(I understand that
NetSol was not a community run org like the RIRs, but I see a natural
institutional conflict between those who dominate a closed market
and those who seek to expand it.)</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(And yes, this is also
a commentary on the tiny number of participants who seem to people the RIR
executive positions, and by extension the tiny groups of vocal participants in
the RIR-PPML process.)</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">(And yes, I have lost
trust in ARIN staff since the MS/Nortel debacle)</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">But nobody seems too
sure what that higher authority is, and of course some participants see the
community of RIR-PPML participants as the highest authority of
all.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I didn't write that
letter, nor do I have any relationship with the writer of the letter, to my
knowledge I have never met, conversed, or emailed with
him.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As for changing policy
in the ARIN region, that is my intent, and I have heard from another poster
who is interested in co-sponsoring a proposal designed to create a free market
for ip transfers.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">So I will work with
him to do just as you say, round up support and see if we can get a proposal
that passes muster with the PPML and can be included in the next
PPM.</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Mike
Burns</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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