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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>I think these are excellent ideas and that they
will serve to free up addresses for transfer by reducing fear of
ARIN.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Particularly extending the safe harbor to all sales
venues.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>What would free up even more addresses is a total
elimination of needs analyses for all transfers. ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Although needs analyses are still required, I
support your changes as they move policy in the right direction.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=scottleibrand@gmail.com href="mailto:scottleibrand@gmail.com">Scott
Leibrand</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=arin-ppml@arin.net
href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">ARIN-PPML List</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 02, 2011 2:50 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-145
STLS Listing Immunity</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 10:59 AM, ARIN <SPAN dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</A>></SPAN> wrote:</DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>ARIN-prop-145 STLS Listing Immunity<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><snip></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>Add a subsection to Section 12 (Resource Review) of the
NRPM:<BR><BR>ARIN may not revoke any resources issued by ARIN that are
presently<BR>listed as "available" on the ARIN Specified Transfer Listing
Service<BR>unless there is sufficient reason to believe that the holder does
not in<BR>fact intend to transfer these resources.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Another way to accomplish this would be with the following language from
the original transfer policy proposal, 2008-2:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The fact that an IPv4 address holder is making IPv4 addresses
available for transfer, pursuant to this policy, does not, in and of
itself, indicate that the address holder lacks the need required for an
allocation under ARIN policy.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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class=gmail_quote><BR>Rationale:<BR><BR>An entity may list space as
available and might begin the process of<BR>moving out of that space in
order to facilitate the transfer. A review<BR>after such work was in
progress might reveal that the addresses are not<BR>sufficiently
utilized.<BR><BR>Additionally, because posting a listing on the STLS signals
directly to<BR>ARIN that an entity believes it can use addresses more
efficiently, ARIN<BR>might simply use STLS listings in order to trigger
audit under 12.2(c).<BR>This would not be fair. (And would be a disincentive
to using the ARIN<BR>STLS at all in order to list available
space)<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I believe that ARIN has made assurances that this will not be done, but I
would support such assurances into policy as well if people think
it's needed. </DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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class=gmail_quote>This policy would also serve to increase the value of the
ARIN STLS over<BR>other possible transfer listing services, increasing the
transparency of<BR>the transfer market, particularly to ARIN, who wishes to
ensure that<BR>transfers take place within NRPM 8.3.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><BR></DIV>I think it's important to make any "Safe
Harbor" statement apply to all IPv4 addresses being made available
for transfer (including those on eBay etc.) not just those offered through
ARIN's Specified Transfer Listing Service. ARIN has repeatedly made clear
that the STLS is completely optional, which I believe is the right way to
approach it. I don't believe we should be giving the STLS preferential
treatment in the transfer policy in any way.</DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>-Scott</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>P.S. Thanks for all the straightforward, well-thought-out
proposals.</DIV>
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