<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 2, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Mike Burns wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">>It seems the community is</font><div>>rather divided with some advocating a complete abandonment</div><div>>of the principles of stewardship in favor of a laissez faire</div><div>>address economy while others favor preservation of the</div><div>>principles of stewardship and justified need while enabling</div><div>>market incentives to free up space.</div><div>>Owen</div><div> </div><div> </div></font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Removing artificial restrictions on the transfer of IP address space is not, as Owen persists in characterizing it, an abandonment of the principles of stewardship.</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>Yes... It is.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Stewardship simply means different things pre- and post-exhaust.</font></div></div></span></blockquote><div><br></div>No, it does not.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Pre-exhaust requires needs analyses to ensure efficient use of address space.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Post-exahust, efficient use is ensured by the same market incentives you claim enables the freeing up of space.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">To wit, price.</font></div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div> </div></div></span></blockquote>I don't believe that is a dependable system because without the needs basis,</div><div>you open up the potential for a new class of organization... The speculator</div><div>who wants to come in, use vast financial resources to acquire all addresses</div><div>priced below some threshold he believes to be viable and then wait until</div><div>the market desire for the resource exceeds that price (potentially by a wide</div><div>margin). This delays the availability of addresses to a wider set of justified</div><div>need while increasing the price without benefit to the community.</div><div><br></div><div>The only entitiy that gains in this environment is the speculator. Everyone else</div><div>loses.</div><div><br></div><div>That is, regardless of what else you may think, in my mind an obvious abandonment</div><div>of the responsibility of stewardship.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">I don't believe that there has been an answer to those of us who said that while it is grammatically acceptable to decide that a "single aggregate" relates to the needs justification, it is nonsensical to do that, as all needs analyses result in a single aggregate. You don't have a needs analysis at any time where it is found that a need is outside CIDR boundaries. Need assessment has always rounded up to that boundary.</font></div></div></span></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div> </div></div></span></blockquote>I agree with you that is the case.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">No, the only way to interpret the language of 8.3 is that the reception of the addresses should occur as a single aggregate, which is clear has not occurred with 8.3.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">To say the staff or the board acted outside of policy is correct in the MS/Nortel case.</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div></div></span></blockquote>While it is nonsensical, I have found that the law is often nonsensical in its</div><div>interpretation of plain English. The supreme court has somehow managed</div><div>to interpret the plain English of the first amendment to include the ability</div><div>to bankroll a campaign by a corporation as a form of protected free speech.</div><div>To me, this seems completely nonsensical.</div><div><br></div><div>So, we can't rule out a nonsensical interpretation and we need to write</div><div>language that cannot be nonsensically interpreted.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div bgcolor="#ffffff" style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Regards,</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial">Mike</font></div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><div><font size="2" face="Arial"></font> </div><blockquote style="border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; ">----- Original Message -----</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, 228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="owen@delong.com" href="mailto:owen@delong.com">Owen DeLong</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="rudi.daniel@gmail.com" href="mailto:rudi.daniel@gmail.com">Rudolph Daniel</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="arin-ppml@arin.net" href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a></div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 02, 2011 3:44 PM</div><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal arial; "><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] NRPN 8.2 & 2.3</div><div><br></div>At this point, I would agree. However, I would like to wait until I<div>get a chance to discuss the matter with ARIN Counsel and</div><div>further discuss it with staff before I start crafting proposals</div><div>to do so.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't feel that staff or the board have acted improperly. I think</div><div>that policy failed to express the community intent well enough</div><div>as to achieve or goals.</div><div><br></div><div>I will continue to work on finding a way to bring policy better in</div><div>line with community intent, but, the hard part will be achieving</div><div>consensus on what that intent is. It seems the community is</div><div>rather divided with some advocating a complete abandonment</div><div>of the principles of stewardship in favor of a laissez faire</div><div>address economy while others favor preservation of the</div><div>principles of stewardship and justified need while enabling</div><div>market incentives to free up space.</div><div><br></div><div>It is most unfortunate that we failed to produce clear policy</div><div>in 2009-1. I hope we can correct it at Philadelphia.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Apr 30, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Rudolph Daniel wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">It would seem clear to me that at the very least, NRPN 8.2 and 8.3 requires rephrasing. Is that also the view of the ppml?<div><br></div><div>rd<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">>> for such resources, as a single aggregate", not that a single<br>>> aggregate be transferred.<br>><br>> ... I do not believe that Stephen's interpretation below matches the<br>> meaning or the intent of the policy as I understand it. ...<br><br>I don't think it does either, for the record. However, this points out<br>how bad wording has left us in a situation where we're not sure /what/<br>the policy text means--much less whether we agree with it.<br><br>> I do agree that your interpretation would be a syntactically and<br>> grammatically valid construction, but, I believe it is contextually<br>> nonsensical and not the intended meaning of the words.<br>><br>> If anyone has a suggestion for making the actual intent more clear, I<br>> am open to suggestions and would support making an editorial<br>> correction for clarity.<br><br>If you can provide examples of transfers you both do and don't wish to<br>allow, I'll be happy to come up with wording to express your intent. As<br>it stands, though, I don't understand your (or anyone else's) intent<br>well enough to try.<br><br>S<br><br>--<br>Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein<br>CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the<br>K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20110430/ab367759/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20110430/ab367759/attachment-0001.html</a>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: smime.p7s<br>Type: application/pkcs7-signature<br>Size: 3646 bytes<br>Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature<br>URL: <<a href="http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20110430/ab367759/attachment-0001.bin" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20110430/ab367759/attachment-0001.bin</a>><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:28:39 -0400<br>From: William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>><br>To: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>><br>Cc: Public Policy Mailing List <<a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Call for a study & survey to obtain necessary<br> information for policy development<br>Message-ID: <BANLkTi=0i9isaCTnsTQC9NO=<a href="mailto:PX2RAcSt1A@mail.gmail.com">PX2RAcSt1A@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 7:51 AM, John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>> wrote:<br>> ? contains a specific call for ARIN to charter a study including<br>> ? a survey in order to obtain additional information to assist in<br>> ? policy development.<br>><br>> ? I've not seen any discussion of this suggestion; would it be<br>> ? possible to get feedback from the otherwise shy participants<br>> ? on the PPML mailing list?<br>><br>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Jeffrey Lyon wrote:<br>>> what we should do is<br>>> charter ARIN to conduct a comprehensive study and:<br>>><br>>> - Conduct a survey of the public at large, PPML users, full members,<br>>> resource holders, and the AC to gain a clear understanding of<br>>> sentiment for or against an open market.<br>>> - Determine how many companies actually have IPv6 migration plans and<br>>> ascertain road blocks, either legitimate or financial, that are<br>>> preventing migration.<br>>> - Would resource holders support a model that allowed ARIN to take a<br>>> small commission on resource sales and then discontinue the practice<br>>> of charging an annual fee to its members who are not buying and<br>>> selling resources.<br><br>These seem like they could be determined by survey.<br><br><br>>> - In the survey, ask IPv4 resource holders to anonymously disclose<br>>> their true utilization rates and determine if companies are hoarding<br>>> resources either in hopes of future resale or to cover an arbitrary<br>>> future need.<br>>> - Determine the amount of participants that would come forward if told<br>>> they could resell their space on the open market and ultimately<br>>> determine how much unneeded space is being locked away in loosely<br>>> justified allocations.<br>>> - Determine if resource holders would be encouraged to tighten up<br>>> internal policies and free up more space if there were a fair market<br>>> value assigned to their space.<br><br>These strike me as very difficult to determine by anything approaching<br>a statistically valid survey. I would want to see a detailed<br>methodology proposed before agreeing either that money should be spent<br>conducting the survey or that the results would have merit to<br>contribute to the policy debate.<br><br><br>>> - Determine the economic impact. Would resource holders be better off<br>>> selling their resources to more affluent companies who would be able<br>>> to put the space to better use? Might there be a host of struggling<br>>> small businesses who would like to put their /17 - /21 on the balance<br>>> sheet? Are there companies that would purchase IPv4 space at a premium<br>>> if allowed to do so?<br><br>This would require a cost analysis of a great many factors, only some<br>of which have been touched on in the listed survey. Given the abject<br>lack of use of cost analysis in the Internet industry, it would<br>require at least three independent cost analyses and considerable<br>subsequent debate on and validation of the methodologies...<br><br>Start here:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.sceaonline.net/" target="_blank">http://www.sceaonline.net/</a><br><br>Disclaimer: my father is a crotchety old cost analyst so I get a<br>regular earful about this stuff.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bill Herrin<br><br><br>--<br>William D. Herrin ................<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com">herrin@dirtside.com</a>?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a><br>3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <<a href="http://bill.herrin.us/" target="_blank">http://bill.herrin.us/</a>><br>Falls Church, VA 22042-3004<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:39:08 -0400<br>From: William Herrin <<a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a>><br>To: Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>><br>Cc: John Curran <<a href="mailto:jcurran@arin.net">jcurran@arin.net</a>>, arin-ppml <<a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>><br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Analogies<br>Message-ID: <BANLkTimzAx7_S=<a href="mailto:oaHiEB2epuXmMiBc136w@mail.gmail.com">oaHiEB2epuXmMiBc136w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 1:31 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>> I will point out that ARIN is the only registry that did not start<br>> charging their legacy holders shortly after coming into existence.<br>><br>> APNIC, RIPE, AfriNIC, and LACNIC all charge their legacy holders<br>> annual fees to the best of my knowledge.<br>><br>> I do not know whether a contract was required in any or all cases,<br>> but, the fee portion of the equation is unique to ARIN to the best<br>> of my knowledge.<br><br>Hi Owen,<br><br>I will suggest that an attempt by ARIN to charge $100/year under a<br>contract simplified to, "We agree to keep your whois data and RDNS<br>delegations intact as is for one year increments until either of us<br>choose to cancel this contract" would meet with at most mild<br>resistance from the legacy registrants. It would also, IMHO, provide<br>an excellent way to weed out the abandoned registrations.<br><br>This hasn't been done in part because we, in this forum, have insisted<br>that legacy registrants should not be invited into the fold under such<br>terms.<br><br>Regards,<br>Bill Herrin<br><br><br>--<br>William D. Herrin ................<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:herrin@dirtside.com">herrin@dirtside.com</a>?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bill@herrin.us">bill@herrin.us</a><br>3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <<a href="http://bill.herrin.us/" target="_blank">http://bill.herrin.us/</a>><br>Falls Church, VA 22042-3004<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:43:29 -0400<br>From: "Mike Burns" <<a href="mailto:mike@nationwideinc.com">mike@nationwideinc.com</a>><br>To: "Stephen Sprunk" <<a href="mailto:stephen@sprunk.org">stephen@sprunk.org</a>>, "Owen DeLong"<br> <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>><br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN / Microsoft press release regarding IP<br> addressTransfers<br>Message-ID: <7B6110E30D2E40CDA7E10BCB85E290B7@video><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>>If you can provide examples of transfers you both do and don't wish to allow, I'll be happy to come up with wording to express your intent. As it stands, though, I >don't understand your (or anyone else's) intent well enough to try.<br><br>>S<br><br>Steve,<br><br>Here is why I call BS on the claim that these transfers comply with policy:<br><br>"Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies."<br><br>That is the text. The comma between resources and "as a single aggregate" can be read to cause the "as a single aggregate" clause to apply to either the verb phrase "be received" or the verb phrase "can demonstrate."<br><br>But how would anybody demonstrate a need for multiple netblocks anyway?<br>Isn't the need ALWAYS determined as a single aggregate?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Mike<br><br><br><br> ----- Original Message -----<br> From: Stephen Sprunk<br> To: Owen DeLong<br> Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 8:27 PM<br> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN / Microsoft press release regarding IP addressTransfers<br><br><br> On 16-Apr-11 02:19, Owen DeLong wrote:<br><br> On Apr 15, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:<br><br> On 15-Apr-11 19:00, Matthew Kaufman wrote:<br><br> The adopted policies (if they are using the "relatively new policy" as alluded to in the release) require the transfer of *a single aggregate*.<br><br><br> Not quite. NRPM 8.3 only requires the receiver "demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate", not that a single aggregate be transferred.<br><br> ... I do not believe that Stephen's interpretation below matches the meaning or the intent of the policy as I understand it. ...<br><br> I don't think it does either, for the record. However, this points out how bad wording has left us in a situation where we're not sure what the policy text means--much less whether we agree with it.<br><br><br> I do agree that your interpretation would be a syntactically and grammatically valid construction, but, I believe it is contextually nonsensical and not the intended meaning of the words.<br><br><br> If anyone has a suggestion for making the actual intent more clear, I am open to suggestions and would support making an editorial correction for clarity.<br><br> If you can provide examples of transfers you both do and don't wish to allow, I'll be happy to come up with wording to express your intent. 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