<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Apr 29, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Jeffrey Lyon <<a href="mailto:jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net">jeffrey.lyon@blacklotus.net</a>> wrote:</span><br>
</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <<a href="mailto:tedm@ipinc.net">tedm@ipinc.net</a>> wrote:</span><br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><br></font></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>On 4/29/11 12:48 CDT, Ray Hunter wrote:</span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>Meanwhile new entrants to the ISP market are effectively shut out, due</span><br>
</blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>to the "last /8" allocation policy for IPv4 addresses coming into effect</span><br></blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span>in the ARIN region.</span><br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">
<br><span></span></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br><span></span></blockquote></div></blockquote><snip><div>
<br><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><span>The shortage of IPv4 is going to "shut out" new ISP entrants post-RIR</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>runout, until IPv6 gets good penetration. This is unavoidable. It is</span><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>also going to "shut out" new customers, too.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span><br></blockquote></div></blockquote><snip><div><br><blockquote type="cite">
<div><blockquote type="cite"><span>In the meantime, during the time period that IPv4 is "out" yet IPv4</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>still remains the dominant method of connection to the Internet, then</span><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>yes, new ISP entrants will be "shut out" This will not last - but</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>wanna-be ISPs should probably shelve their business plans for another</span><br>
</blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span>decade and go find something else to do until the issue sorts itself out.</span><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><span></span></blockquote><br><span>This is true, unless we embrace a free market.</span><br>
</div></blockquote></div></div><div><br></div><div>What aspects of existing ARIN policy (transfer or otherwise) disproportionately affect new entrants? What part of the existing transfer market is not free enough to allow new ISPs to acquire the addresses space they need to compete effectively?</div>
<div><br></div><div>If we can identify specific areas of concern, we may be able to create policy proposals to address them.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott</div></body></html>