<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Apr 18, 2011, at 6:21 PM, William Herrin wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 8:03 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 18, 2011, at 4:12 PM, William Herrin wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">If every nuance of every discussion on every<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">detail of every process were to take place on PPML, the noise level would<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">greatly exceed signal and virtually nothing could get done.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Well, we wouldn't want that. Where's the public list that was set up<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">for folks interested in discussing PDP changes, so they could avoid<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">running roughshod over other PPML discussions?<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">1. arin-discuss comes to mind.<br></blockquote><br>Hi Owen,<br><br>Why does that not surprise me? Arin-discuss is a closed list,<br>membership only. Not public.<br><br>Sorry, that was a low blow. I realize you honestly forgot. Again.<br><br><br></div></blockquote>I didn't forget at all, but, you ignored the rest of my statement...</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">2.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">I wasn't saying that changes to the PDP should not be discussed</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">on PPML. I was saying that there was value to having some of</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">those discussions and some of that work done off-line and later</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">having a more fleshed-out result presented back to the community</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">for further review and feedback rather than having all of the work</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space: pre; "> </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; ">take place in full public view.</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: monospace; "><br></span><br></div><div>While ARIN-DISCUSS is limited to members only, since membership is open to</div><div>anyone, calling it a closed list is not an entirely accurate statement. I would</div><div>say that the lists used by the board and the AC for their internal discussions would</div><div>be examples of closed lists.</div><div><br></div><div>So, now that we've cleared up both of those misunderstandings on your part,</div><div>care to retry?</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><br></body></html>