<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I don't know the details of the agreement and I won't comment or speculate on them.<div><br></div><div>However, NRPM 8.3 is as follows:</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 19px; "><div class="indent" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 3em; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 12px; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><h4 style="margin-top: 1em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 12px !important; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; ">8.3. Transfers to Specified Recipients</h4><div style="margin-top: 0.5em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-size: 1.2em; vertical-align: baseline; background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: transparent; line-height: 1.5em; ">In addition to transfers under section 8.2, IPv4 number resources within the ARIN region may be released to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in part, for transfer to another specified organizational recipient. Such transferred number resources may only be received under RSA by organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify under current ARIN policies.</div><div><br></div></div></span><div><div>My understanding, and, I believe staff and the rest of the AC share my understanding,</div><div>but, confirmation would be appreciated, is that this means an organization can only</div><div>receive through a transfer a single aggregate which matches their demonstrated</div><div>need. I do not believe that Stephen's interpretation below matches the meaning or</div><div>the intent of the policy as I understand it. As I said, to the best of my knowledge, the rest</div><div>of the AC and staff have the same understanding.</div><div><br></div><div>I do agree that your interpretation would be a syntactically and grammatically valid</div><div>construction, but, I believe it is contextually nonsensical and not the intended</div><div>meaning of the words.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone has a suggestion for making the actual intent more clear, I am open</div><div>to suggestions and would support making an editorial correction for clarity.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div><div>On Apr 15, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Stephen Sprunk wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 15-Apr-11 19:00, Matthew Kaufman wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 4/15/2011 4:30 PM, John Curran wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 15, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Benson Schliesser wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Perhaps you are correct, but ARIN staff should be able to confirm<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">that they are following policy (i.e. under obligation to the<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">members, ICANN, and community) without violating confidentiality. <br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">As the bottom-up policy development community, we should be worried<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">if they cannot.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">From the press release: "ARIN President and CEO John Curran stated he<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was pleased that Microsoft has followed the Internet community's<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">adopted policies for such transfers"<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">The adopted policies (if they are using the "relatively new policy" as<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">alluded to in the release) require the transfer of *a single aggregate*.<br></blockquote><br>Not quite. NRPM 8.3 only requires the receiver "demonstrate the need<br>for such resources, as a single aggregate", not that a single aggregate<br>be transferred.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">The number of addresses that was in the deal cannot be reconciled with<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">that requirement.<br></blockquote><br>See above. Alternately, they could have performed multiple NRPM 8.3<br>transfers, each with a single aggregate.<br><br>I'm failing to see the purpose of that clause; it appears to be a NOP.<br><br>S<br><br>-- <br>Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein<br>CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the<br>K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact info@arin.net if you experience any issues.</div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>