<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Dec 28, 2010, at 5:34 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 12/28/2010 3:11 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Good leadership operates at the consent of the people lead. I see<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">nothing to indicate consent or consensus for ARIN to start trying<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">to strong-arm IPv6.<br></blockquote><br>Hold on folks, this is getting out of hand.<br><br>If ARIN wants to hand-out IPv6 along with an IPv4 request, who the<br>hell cares? Requiring an org to spend a few moments estimating their<br>future use of IPv6 when they request IPv4 is not going to take the<br>skin off anyone's nose. It is by no means the same as requiring the<br>org to actually USE the IPv6<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#144FAE"><br></font></font></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div>We have enough IPv6 to hand out IPv6 to people who we are 95% sure<br>will NEVER use it for the next century so this argument that we<br>shouldn't just go ahead and assign the IPv6 even when an org doesn't<br>want it is rubbish. Assign it! Sometime in the next 30 years they<br>will need it and then hey, the assignment work will be done and they<br>won't have to bug the RIR a second time and go through the whole<br>justification process again.<br><br></div></blockquote>I disagree. It's simply not good resource management to hand resources</div><div>out to people who don't want them and haven't expressed a need for them.</div><div><br></div><div>It's very hard for us to claim we have needs based policy if we start</div><div>allocating for reasons other than need.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>This is like when you go through the drive-through at McDonalds and<br>they throw 4 ketchup packets in every bag that they hand out. Your<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Most of the McDonalds here have stopped doing that and now give</div><div>you ketchup on request.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>like the guy who wants to make a federal case about the fact that<br>you don't like ketchup so the 4 ketchup packets are going to go to<br>waste because the drive through girl didn't take the time to ask you<br>if you wanted ketchup or not. So your going to make the girl spend<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I don't think it takes 30 seconds to ask "Ketchup?" and listen</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>for a yes or no. It doesn't even take 30 seconds when I ask</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>for bar-b-q sauce (which I like more than ketchup) when I go</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>through the drive through.</div><div><br></div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>IPv6 blocks are not ketchup packets. Nobody maintains any sort</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>of registration data on ketchup packets.</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>an extra 30 seconds ascertaining this to save a few ketchup packets<br>for everyone who goes through the drive through, but there are 10<br>cars in line so the guy at the end is going to get his food 5 minutes<br>late, and cold - just so you can pat yourself on the back and say<br>you saved 5 ounces of IPv6 ketchup!!!<br><br></div></blockquote>It's more like 10 seconds or less, so, the guy 10 cars back loses</div><div>by just over 1.5 minutes later than he might have otherwise.</div><div>Most of this 10 seconds can be eliminated from relevance if</div><div>the question takes place at the time of order or payment rather</div><div>than after passing the food through the window.</div><div><br></div><div>So... First, your statement is hyperbole even for the original</div><div>subject. Second, it doesn't apply at all well to registered</div><div>resources. The internet is not a happy meal and IPv6 blocks</div><div>should not be the toy surprise in the IPv4 box.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br></div></body></html>