<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Ted -</div><div><br></div><div> If we can determine that the organization that was assigned the resource is defunct, we will reclaim the resources. Feel free to send me any documentation that you have that would help with that determination, and we will "handle" it as you request. Do you know if the organization that was assigned the resources is defunct? If they are not, we need someone authoritative from the organization to contact us (and if they're not using the numbers internally then it would indeed be very appropriate for them to return the address block to ARIN)<br><br>/John</div><div><br>On Nov 3, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <<a href="mailto:tedm@ipinc.net">tedm@ipinc.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>I have posted SEVERAL TIMES to this list the following data:</span><br><span></span><br><span>Back in 1999 we had a customer with a legacy /24, Leatherman Tools.</span><br><span>The block is NET-199-248-255-0-1 you can look it up in WHOIS.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The customer disconnected from us around 2002 and went to a competitor.</span><br><span>The competitor would not add this block into their routing and forced</span><br><span>the customer to renumber. The customer renumbered their internal network into private numbers and forgot about this block.</span><br><span></span><br><span>For the next few years we used this block for various things,</span><br><span>our upstreams still were routing it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Our former network admin, Byron, had left the company by then but</span><br><span>he had changed the POC e-mail on the block to his address at his</span><br><span>new company - because he used the same tech handle (BCO-ARIN) on</span><br><span>some other blocks he was admining.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Eventually we got our own allocations and stopped using this</span><br><span>block permanently.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Since then I have periodically checked the status of this block to</span><br><span>see how it is faring.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Our former admin's company went bankrupt and his e-mail address</span><br><span>on BCO-ARIN became owned by a domain name speculator sometime around</span><br><span>2006-2007 I think.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Today, the block is STILL IN the WHOIS. The POC on it uses</span><br><span><a href="mailto:hostmaster@speculator-owned-domain.com">hostmaster@speculator-owned-domain.com</a> (<a href="mailto:hostmaster@hcorp.com">hostmaster@hcorp.com</a>)</span><br><span>so it probably is passing muster with the ARIN e-mail POC check.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The block does not appear in the DFZ and hasn't since 2004, when</span><br><span>we stopped advertising it. In 2004 I told the ARIN hostmaster it</span><br><span>was abandoned. I have e-mailed the hostmaster this at least once</span><br><span>since and faxed a bunch of junk to them showing the history. And I have posted this to the list several times.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Frankly the block has become more useful (IMHO) disproving assertions</span><br><span>that ARIN's handling of legacy space is "working" than it ever was</span><br><span>carrying traffic.</span><br><span></span><br><span>If ARIN cannot "handle" this, even after I have used this example</span><br><span>multiple times to publically embarrass people who claim that everything</span><br><span>is A-OK, then YOU KNOW there is a problem. You would think that</span><br><span>just for PR's sake that John or someone like that would pull the</span><br><span>hostmaster aside quietly and say "please take care of this so that</span><br><span>he can't squeak about it anymore" ;-)</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ted</span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.289062); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.222656); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.222656);"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.300781); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.234375); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.234375);"><br></span></font></span></font></div></blockquote></body></html>