<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">In cases where you know this is happening I strongly urge you to pass the information to the ARIN fraud reporting<div>process so that ARIN can work with the provider(s) in question to get the issue resolved.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,</div><div><br></div><div>Owen DeLong</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Jul 12, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Dave Feuer wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; "><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">While cleaning up some old DNS records (again) I took a look at some of our old address space. 2 x /23s from 2 providers. I did a quick whois and both are still pointing to us. One we have not used since early 2001 the other since late 2004. I did some tests and one of them still routes to the last hop before it hit us.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Then I took a look at the records for a client with a /22 that we managed the DNS for. I don’t know how long he has not had the IP space but it’s been at least 3 years and more likely closer to or over 4 years. Still pointing to him (and his company no longer even exists) and still routing to the last hop before him.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">How much space is out there and routed and going no place? Is there any way to find out? It’s more of a question to satisfy my curiosity but I think it would be interesting to know.<o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">-Dave<o:p></o:p></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>