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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Joe,<BR>
<BR>
Speaking for myself, not the entire AC,....<BR>
<BR>
The AC is not, through its announcement, trying to discourage you or anyone from making proposals.<BR>
The ACs statement simply says that the proposals need to represent a very good idea as measured by community support and the traditional test of clear, needed and technically feasible.<BR>
<BR>
The only thing that has changed, is that the AC has stated that a new balance needs to be struck between the level of community consensus and the communities need for a stable and predictable policy environment.<BR>
<BR>
The AC stands ready to forward any proposal that has broad community consensus, makes a needed and positive impact on the status quo, is clear and technically feasible.<BR>
<BR>
Bill Darte<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net on behalf of Joe Maimon<BR>
Sent: Fri 5/14/2010 5:00 PM<BR>
To: Ted Mittelstaedt<BR>
Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Advisory Council Thoughts about IPv4 Policies<BR>
<BR>
Hey Ted,<BR>
<BR>
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> The AC's position of damn the torpedos, full speed ahead has NO LESS<BR>
> validity than your position of let's do what we can to eke out a few<BR>
> more years of IPv4.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
That is not my position. My position is that we should try and do what<BR>
we reasonably can to prepare for the possibility that we may need IPv4<BR>
more or longer than we either expected or wanted and to explore what if<BR>
any possibilities exist to try and arrive at the lesser of undesirable<BR>
outcomes should that be the case.<BR>
<BR>
Normally that is considered the conventional approach.<BR>
<BR>
Even the titanic had a women and children first policy. Where are our<BR>
lifeboats? Are there enough of them?<BR>
<BR>
Unfriendly reclamation has never been my position. I am against that. I<BR>
want ARIN to be making friends, not losing them.<BR>
<BR>
I am in favor of incentives for return or mild disincentives for non<BR>
return, incentives for maximizing efficiency if or while it still<BR>
matters. Incentives require relevancy.<BR>
<BR>
The transfer policy, which serves as the legitimization of a potential<BR>
trading market for addresses should provide a good part of that.<BR>
<BR>
Some may feel that is enough. Some may feel that it is more than enough.<BR>
Some may feel that there is more that can and should be done.<BR>
<BR>
I would prefer the latter not be publicly discouraged by informing them<BR>
that the field is already tilted in their disfavor.<BR>
<BR>
Speaking for myself, I would probably have still submitted the two<BR>
proposals I did, even after this announcement. But that could just be<BR>
due to my thick skin (or thick head).<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> If you REALLY BELIEVE in your proposition that we need to spend a lot<BR>
> more time on IPv4 policy tweaks then HAVE FAITH IN YOUR POSITION. As<BR>
> I already stated, the AC position merely "informalizes" what is already<BR>
> part of the process, so if YOU ARE right, then the community will surely<BR>
> see this sometime in the future and there then will indeed be, as the<BR>
> AC put it, IPv4 proposals that "have a compelling benefit for and<BR>
> receive strong initial support from the community"<BR>
><BR>
> Ted<BR>
<BR>
What, is it not possible to be correct and still not gain community<BR>
support, at least not within enough time to actually make a difference?<BR>
<BR>
Either way I expect to have lots of fun and excitement.<BR>
<BR>
Joe<BR>
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