Christopher,<br><br>I may have missed this but I'm not sure why are you are coming to ARIN as GQHS is not located in an ARIN region but in RIPEs. <br><br>Aaron<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 09:42, Christopher Mettin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cmettin@gqbc-online.com">cmettin@gqbc-online.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">ARIN Community,<br>
<br>
Why doesn't ARIN allocate GQHS a bunch of /20 addresses for the purpose of a<br>
quasi-ISP service and we assign /24 addresses to verified educational<br>
institutions for a much smaller fee?<br>
<br>
That would be a possible solution. It doesn't cause ARIN any costs and all<br>
fees would be directly and entirely submitted to ARIN. Also, In the end ARIN<br>
could maybe receive more from fees of several smaller sub allocations than<br>
from one larger allocation.<br>
<br>
Another preference is that there would be no address space fragmentation on<br>
the RIR level, GQHS would figure as a LIR except for the fact that ARIN fees<br>
would be sub delegated to charged by GQHS.<br>
<br>
I am looking forward to receive comments on this idea.<br>
<br>
Thank you.<br>
<br>
Sincerely yours,<br>
Christopher Mettin<br>
Gymnaium Querfurt High School<br>
<br>
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To: Christopher Mettin<br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a>; 'Per Heldal'<br>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of<br>
Education<br>
<br>
<br>
ARIN manages the IP space for its region based on the consent of its<br>
members and the governments in that region.<br>
<br>
ARINs finances are a matter of public record - you can find them on the<br>
ARIN web site.<br>
<br>
As for your proposal to replace ARIN with GQHS, I for one, would like to<br>
see the dialog between you/GQHS and the IANA as a matter of public record.<br>
<br>
If you would like to change the ARIN proceedures for address allocation and<br>
stewardship - the process is open and available to all. You just have to<br>
convince others to agree with you on your well thought out, viable<br>
alternative.<br>
<br>
Please ensure that you either cover all the things ARIN does or find other<br>
parties to take on those roles.<br>
<br>
<br>
Luck<br>
<br>
<br>
--bill<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 01:53:26PM +0100, Christopher Mettin wrote:<br>
> ARIN Community,<br>
><br>
> Why does ARIN manage the IP addresses allocated to North America? Did they<br>
> win a competition in cost-effeteness and reliability?<br>
><br>
> And does ARIN show a proof that the fees cover at least 90% of their<br>
> operating costs?<br>
><br>
> If IANA would replace ARIN with GQHS today, I could offer everyone a /20<br>
> block for just $10 annually and no cent more. GQHS will also have less<br>
> operation costs and that will save our environment a lot.<br>
><br>
> I will propose this idea to IANA soon. Maybe "Virginian non-profit"<br>
actually<br>
> means they just don't have any stocks but I bet they make a million<br>
revenue<br>
> each year. At all, they are not the right organization to manage IP<br>
> addresses it seems.<br>
><br>
> Has anyone a problem with IP addresses given away for as cheap as a .com<br>
> domain?<br>
><br>
> Sincerely yours,<br>
> Christopher<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Per Heldal [mailto:<a href="mailto:heldal@eml.cc">heldal@eml.cc</a>]<br>
> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:05 AM<br>
> To: Christopher Mettin<br>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] IP Address Fee Structure Policy and the Right of<br>
> Education<br>
><br>
> On 11/29/2009 02:16 AM, Christopher Mettin wrote:<br>
> > The fact that one can't access the Internet without an IP address and<br>
that<br>
> > ARIN sells them.<br>
><br>
> RIR's don't sell IP-addresses. Addresses are assigned for a documented<br>
> purpose. The RIRs are not-for-profit organisations. The fee is not for<br>
> the IP-addresses themselves, but rather to cover the administrative<br>
> costs of running the RIR-operations organization.<br>
><br>
> >> My suggestion would be that you hit up your respective ISPs to give you<br>
> >> static addresses at no extra charge for the good will and possible tax<br>
> >> benefits. Even if they're only willing to give you /29s, you can<br>
> >> harmonize your RFC1918 address space use and use VPNs that properly<br>
> >> reflect your security policies.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yep, VPS, you cannot set them up so easily if you don't have a commonly<br>
> > known (static) IP address of the end-point. Where should we send the VPS<br>
> > connection request if our IP always changes? Maybe try out every host on<br>
> the<br>
> > entire ISP subnet?<br>
> ><br>
> > Our Internet connection is paid by the state. And under the current<br>
> contract<br>
> > we actually even not allowed to publish a simple website from our<br>
network.<br>
> > So why should they give us a static IP to make it easier for us to do<br>
so?<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> You can not blame the internet-community for your organisation's failure<br>
> to negotiate a contract that meets your needs. I doubt you'll find a<br>
> serious SP anywhere that doesn't offer contracts that include static<br>
> addressing. So far there's been no mention of a need for multi-homing<br>
> which normally is the key requirement to justify direct assignments.<br>
> What difference does the fee make if you don't qualify for an allocation<br>
> in the first place.<br>
><br>
><br>
> > So the reason why ARIN should change its policies is that we want ARIN<br>
to<br>
> > allocate us some IP addresses which are the only way for us to solve our<br>
> > little problem.<br>
><br>
> You should resolve this with the people who are responsible for a<br>
> service-contract that doesn't meet your functional requirements.<br>
><br>
><br>
> //per<br>
><br>
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