<html><head><base href="x-msg://140/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Correct. For example, the presentations and official transcripts for San Antonio are available here: <<a href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXIII/mem.html">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/reports/ARIN_XXIII/mem.html</a>><div><br></div><div>That doesn't mean that this quick notes aren't valuable, they have the strong advantage of timeliness... (whereas the transcripts show up several weeks after)</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for all your efforts Matt!</div><div>/John</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>On Oct 23, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Lee Howard wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span>I think these notes are probably very useful for a lot of people, but I wouldn't worry too much about exact wording. I believe a transcript will be made available as part of the Meeting Report, look near<a target="_blank" href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN-XXIV/index.html">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN-XXIV/index.html</a> about November 4. You can use that as a source for exact wording or just point that way.</span><br><br>Lee<br></div><blockquote style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><br><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Matthew Petach <<a href="mailto:mpetach@netflight.com">mpetach@netflight.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Joe Maimon <<a href="mailto:jmaimon@chl.com">jmaimon@chl.com</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>PPML ppml <<a href="mailto:ppml@arin.net">ppml@arin.net</a>><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fri, October 23, 2009 9:07:58 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] 2009.10.22 ARIN 24 day 2 part 2 notes<br></font><br><br>Thanks for the corrections--it's harder to jot down the text being<br>read from the remote participants, because the person reading<br>it doesn't have to pause to think, the way everyone else in the<br>room has to--which tends to overrun my internal buffer, leading<br>to more dropped bits in the notes. ^_^;<br><br>Maybe I should put these on a twiki so they can be edited<br>directly afterwards. :)<br><br>Thanks again!<br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Maimon<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jmaimon@chl.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jmaimon@chl.com">jmaimon@chl.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Thanks Matt!<div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br>Matthew Petach wrote:<br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; "><br>Draft policy 2009-8: equitable IPv4 run-out<br>June 8th, 2009, draft policy 2009 aug 31<br><br>similar policies in all regions.<br></blockquote><br><br><br><br></div><div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Ted Middlestat--in favour of policy, though he doesn't<br>think policy will help; orgs who are smart will move<br>to IPv6. The stupid ones will be gaming the system<br>anyhow, and generating bogus needs. Orgs that need a /17<br>will generate requests for /15s instead. The Friday<br>night party will be all the procrastinators who haven't<br>prepared, and will be out of business 6 months later.<br>So, this is harmless anyhow.<br></blockquote><br><br><br></div><div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Joe Maimon supports the policy; if one or a few big<br>players clear out the final supply, we can end up with<br>a prime time sound bite. ARIN should aim to prevent<br>gaming.<br></blockquote><br></div>(2:26:17 PM) jmaimon: Joe Maimon - CHL, Pronouncable in many equally correct ways, but usually as Maymin or Mymin with equal stress on each half.<br><br>I support this policy. I think that a scenario described where all scarce resources are cleaned out by one or a few big players could be the final black eye for the rir system in the eyes of many. It may even create a prime time news sound bite. I do not believe this policy is the be all end all, but I do not believe that policies should address potential gaming, ARIN staff is responsible as always for detecting and preventing gaming.<div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><br><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Policies reviewed<br>identify invalid whois POC 2008-7<br> not fully implemented, some issues to bring to community<br> and get feedback<br></blockquote><br><br></div><div class="im" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Ted; if you don't support sending email to the downstream,<br>raise policy to change NRPM.<br><br>Joe Maimon, if you don't agree with this, emergency policy<br>action may be needed.<br></blockquote><br></div>(3:50:41 PM) jmaimon: Yes, but if ARIN is going to delay implementation, then emergency policy action to excise reassignments is actually more apropriate<br><br><br>I made this comment to address Chris concern that a complete review occur before run out, I suggested that instead of waiting policy cycle without implementation, this could qualify for the BoT to take more prompt action.<br><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>