<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I think these notes are probably very useful for a lot of people, but I wouldn't worry too much about exact wording. I believe a transcript will be made available as part of the Meeting Report, look near <a target="_blank" href="https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN-XXIV/index.html">https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN-XXIV/index.html</a> about November 4. You can use that as a source for exact wording or just point that way.</span><br><br>Lee<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span
style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Matthew Petach <mpetach@netflight.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Joe Maimon <jmaimon@chl.com><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> PPML ppml <ppml@arin.net><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, October 23, 2009 9:07:58 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-ppml] 2009.10.22 ARIN 24 day 2 part 2 notes<br></font><br>
<br>Thanks for the corrections--it's harder to jot down the text being<br>read from the remote participants, because the person reading<br>it doesn't have to pause to think, the way everyone else in the<br>room has to--which tends to overrun my internal buffer, leading<br>
to more dropped bits in the notes. ^_^;<br><br>Maybe I should put these on a twiki so they can be edited<br>directly afterwards. :)<br><br>Thanks again!<br><br>Matt<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Joe Maimon <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jmaimon@chl.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jmaimon@chl.com">jmaimon@chl.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Draft policy 2009-8: equitable IPv4 run-out<br>
June 8th, 2009, draft policy 2009 aug 31<br>
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similar policies in all regions.<br>
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Ted Middlestat--in favour of policy, though he doesn't<br>
think policy will help; orgs who are smart will move<br>
to IPv6. The stupid ones will be gaming the system<br>
anyhow, and generating bogus needs. Orgs that need a /17<br>
will generate requests for /15s instead. The Friday<br>
night party will be all the procrastinators who haven't<br>
prepared, and will be out of business 6 months later.<br>
So, this is harmless anyhow.<br>
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Joe Maimon supports the policy; if one or a few big<br>
players clear out the final supply, we can end up with<br>
a prime time sound bite. ARIN should aim to prevent<br>
gaming.<br>
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(2:26:17 PM) jmaimon: Joe Maimon - CHL, Pronouncable in many equally correct ways, but usually as Maymin or Mymin with equal stress on each half.<br>
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I support this policy. I think that a scenario described where all scarce resources are cleaned out by one or a few big players could be the final black eye for the rir system in the eyes of many. It may even create a prime time news sound bite. I do not believe this policy is the be all end all, but I do not believe that policies should address potential gaming, ARIN staff is responsible as always for detecting and preventing gaming.<div class="im">
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Policies reviewed<br>
identify invalid whois POC 2008-7<br>
not fully implemented, some issues to bring to community<br>
and get feedback<br>
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Ted; if you don't support sending email to the downstream,<br>
raise policy to change NRPM.<br>
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Joe Maimon, if you don't agree with this, emergency policy<br>
action may be needed.<br>
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(3:50:41 PM) jmaimon: Yes, but if ARIN is going to delay implementation, then emergency policy action to excise reassignments is actually more apropriate<br>
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I made this comment to address Chris concern that a complete review occur before run out, I suggested that instead of waiting policy cycle without implementation, this could qualify for the BoT to take more prompt action.<br>
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