<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">These would be for entities providing connectivity (and hence /48 assignments) to<div>other organizations. A /32 only supports 65,536 such customers, so, it's really not</div><div>an unreasonable chunk for a minimum size to an ISP.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On May 30, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-US" vlink="blue" link="blue"><o:smarttagtype name="place" namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"></o:smarttagtype><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="925593418-30052009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">I support the principle of this proposal, but am somewhat taken aback by the idea that /32s would be the basic unit for smaller, innovative v6 entities. </font></span></div><div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="925593418-30052009"><font face="Arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">Aren't /48s, which still constitute a huge number of addresses, enough? Or am I missing something here?</font></span></div><div> </div><p style="font-size: 12pt; margin-left: 0in; margin-right: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2">Milton Mueller<br>Professor, Syracuse University School of Information Studies<br>XS4All Professor, Delft University of Technology<br>------------------------------<br>Internet Governance Project:<br><a href="http://internetgovernance.org/" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://internetgovernance.org</a><br></font></p><div> </div><blockquote dir="ltr" style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left-color: rgb(0, 0, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; margin-right: 0px; "><div class="Section1"><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr tabindex="-1" align="center" width="100%" size="2"></span></font></div><div style="border-right-width: medium; border-right-style: none; border-right-color: initial; padding-right: 0in; border-top-width: medium; border-top-style: none; border-top-color: initial; padding-left: 4pt; padding-bottom: 0in; border-left-color: blue; border-left-width: 1.5pt; border-left-style: solid; padding-top: 0in; border-bottom-width: medium; border-bottom-style: none; border-bottom-color: initial; "><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; ">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Stacy Hughes<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, May 29, 2009 9:25 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Member Services<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Cc:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Open Access To IPv6</span></font><o:p></o:p></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Hello Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Before we really get started on this policy proposal, I must give credit where credit is due.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Jordi Palet Martinez brought this topic to the table 3 years ago, and it got shot down. I myself, in my small IPv4-centric mind, thought it impossible that an IPv6 only organization could exist. Operations and innovation have shown me the error of our thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">To quote myself from a different list:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="apple-style-span"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">IPv6 is a new paradigm we are supposed to be doing our best to encourage. As it stands, those community guys can't get it, the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:place w:st="on">Caribbean</st1:place><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>guys can't get it, and basically anyone trying to do anything vanguard can't get it either. (I hear the ULA objections here, even when they're <span></span></span></font></span><span class="il"><span style="background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 204); background-position: initial initial; ">nascent</span></span><span class="apple-style-span">). </span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="apple-style-span"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">We can be afraid of what IPv6 might do to the routing table, or we can embrace what IPv6 can and will do for the Internet.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="apple-style-span"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">I choose the latter and support this proposal.</span></font></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><span class="apple-style-span"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Stacy </span></font></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Member Services <<a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@arin.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">ARIN received the following policy proposal and is posting it to the<br>Public Policy Mailing List (PPML) in accordance with Policy Development<br>Process.<br><br>This proposal is in the first stage of the Policy Development Process.<br>ARIN staff will perform the Clarity and Understanding step. Staff does<br>not evaluate the proposal at this time, their goal is to make sure that<br>they understand the proposal and believe the community will as well.<br>Staff will report their results to the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) within<br>10 days.<br><br>The AC will review the proposal at their next regularly scheduled<br>meeting (if the period before the next regularly scheduled meeting is<br>less than 10 days, then the period may be extended to the subsequent<br>regularly scheduled meeting). The AC will decide how to utilize the<br>proposal and announce the decision to the PPML.<br><br>In the meantime, the AC invites everyone to comment on the proposal on<br>the PPML, particularly their support or non-support and the reasoning<br>behind their opinion. Such participation contributes to a thorough<br>vetting and provides important guidance to the AC in their deliberations.<br><br>The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:<br><a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><br><br>Mailing list subscription information can be found<br>at:<a href="https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">https://www.arin.net/mailing_lists/</a><br><br>Regards,<br><br>Member Services<br>American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<br><br><br>## * ##<br><br><br>Policy Proposal Name: Open Access To IPv6<br><br>Proposal Originator: Stacy Hughes and Cathy Aronson<br><br>Proposal Version: 1.0<br><br>Date: 29 May 2009<br><br>Proposal type: modify<br><br>Policy term: permanent<br><br>Policy statement:<br><br>1) Remove “by advertising that connectivity through its single<br>aggregated address allocation” from article 3 of section 6.5.1.1<br><br>2) Remove article 4 of section 6.5.1.1, “be an existing, known ISP in<br>the ARIN region or have a plan for making at least 200 end-site<br>assignments to other organizations within 5 years” in its entirety.<br><br>Rationale: It is acknowledged that these concepts have been put before<br>the community in the past. However, with the wisdom of actual<br>operational experience, the necessity of promoting IPv6 adoption<br>throughout our region, and emerging native v6 only network models, it<br>becomes obvious that these modifications to the NRPM are necessary.<br>Removing the 200 end site requirement enables smaller, but no less<br>important and viable, networks access to IPv6. Removing the ‘known ISP’<br>requirement enfranchises new, native v6 businesses that can drive<br>innovation and expansion in the Internet industry, as well as other<br>industries. Removing the requirement for a single aggregate announcement<br>benefits the NRPM itself, as it has been decided by the community that<br>it should not contain routing advice.<br><br>Timetable for implementation: immediately upon BoT ratification<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div></div><div style="font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0in; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div></div></div></div></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>