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<FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'>Thanks for the clarification Ted.<BR>
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On 5/4/09 3:06 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <<a href="tedm@ipinc.net">tedm@ipinc.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
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</SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">"we" is the org I'm the POC for, Internet Partners, Inc., as opposed to me -not- speaking officially<BR>
for that org (which I normally do on this list) Sorry to not make that more clear.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Yes, I saw Daves reply. The fact that 8.3 is "new" does not remove the need for the minor<BR>
edits and reorganization of the NRPM text that Dave was referring to, that's why we<BR>
support it.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">And yes I also know that the Board is going to do what it wants, so it is kind of futile to<BR>
even bother commenting in opposition or support at this point. But I don't want the board<BR>
to actually start believing it's own back-patting that everything is all fixed now.<BR>
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</FONT><FONT COLOR="#0000FF"><FONT FACE="Arial">Ted<BR>
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<HR ALIGN=CENTER SIZE="3" WIDTH="100%"> </FONT><FONT FACE="Tahoma, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><B>From:</B> John Sweeting [<a href="mailto:john.sweeting@twcable.com">mailto:john.sweeting@twcable.com</a>] <BR>
<B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 04, 2009 11:40 AM<BR>
<B>To:</B> Ted Mittelstaedt; Member Services; arin ppml<BR>
<B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy - Revised andforwarded to the Board<BR>
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Hi Ted,<BR>
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Please see David Farmer’s earlier reply to Joe Miller. Also please be more specific on who the “we” are in your email.<BR>
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On 5/4/09 1:12 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <<a href="tedm@ipinc.net">tedm@ipinc.net</a>> wrote:<BR>
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We still oppose 2009-1 as the removal of the sunset clause by the<BR>
Board fundamentally changed the proposal, and the mixture of<BR>
"merger" transfers in 8.2 and "unrestricted" transfers in 8.3<BR>
did not allow for the community to separately comment and consider<BR>
the 2 issues.<BR>
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If Section 8.3 was struck out we would not oppose the proposal.<BR>
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Ted<BR>
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</FONT></SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN STYLE='font-size:11pt'><FONT FACE="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial">-----Original Message-----<BR>
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> From: <a href="arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a><BR>
> [<a href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</a>] On Behalf Of Member Services<BR>
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:21 AM<BR>
> To: arin ppml<BR>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy -<BR>
> Revised and forwarded to the Board<BR>
><BR>
> The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 29 April 2009 and<BR>
> decided to send a revised version of 2009-1 to the Board for<BR>
> their consideration:<BR>
><BR>
> Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy<BR>
><BR>
> The original 2009-1 is a result of the utilization the<BR>
> Emergency PDP provision of the ARIN Policy Development<BR>
> Process by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The AC was required to<BR>
> make a recommendation about 2009-1 within 5 business days of<BR>
> the conclusion of the discussion period (the discussion<BR>
> period for 2009-1 ended on 29 April 2009). The AC used the<BR>
> feedback from the community on the PPML and at the Public<BR>
> Policy Meeting in San Antonio as guidance in suggesting<BR>
> revisions to the draft policy text. The PDP tasks the Board<BR>
> to review the AC's recommendation.<BR>
><BR>
> The AC's revised version of 2009-1 is below.<BR>
><BR>
> The ARIN Policy Development Process is available at:<BR>
><BR>
> <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</a><BR>
><BR>
> Regards,<BR>
><BR>
> Member Services<BR>
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
> ## * ##<BR>
><BR>
> Draft Policy 2009-1 Transfer Policy as revised by the AC<BR>
><BR>
> Originator: ARIN Board of Trustees (using the Emergency PDP<BR>
> provision in the ARIN Policy Development Process)<BR>
><BR>
> Date: 29 April 2009<BR>
><BR>
> Policy statement:<BR>
><BR>
> Replace Section 8 as follows:<BR>
><BR>
> *8. Transfers*<BR>
><BR>
> *8.1. Principles*<BR>
> Number resources are non-transferable and are not assignable<BR>
> to any other organization unless ARIN has expressly and in<BR>
> writing approved a request for transfer. ARIN is tasked with<BR>
> making prudent decisions on whether to approve the transfer<BR>
> of number resources.<BR>
><BR>
> It should be understood that number resources are not "sold"<BR>
> under ARIN administration. Rather, number resources are<BR>
> assigned to an organization for its exclusive use for the<BR>
> purpose stated in the request, provided the terms of the<BR>
> Registration Services Agreement continue to be met and the<BR>
> stated purpose for the number resources remains the same.<BR>
> Number resources are administered and assigned according to<BR>
> ARIN's published policies.<BR>
><BR>
> Number resources are issued, based on justified need, to<BR>
> organizations, not to individuals representing those<BR>
> organizations. Thus, if a company goes out of business,<BR>
> regardless of the reason, the point of contact<BR>
> (POC) listed for the number resource does not have the<BR>
> authority to sell, transfer, assign, or give the number<BR>
> resource to any other person or organization. The POC must<BR>
> notify ARIN if a business fails so the assigned number<BR>
> resources can be returned to the available pool of number<BR>
> resources if a transfer is not requested and justified.<BR>
><BR>
> *8.2. Mergers and Acquisitions*<BR>
> ARIN will consider requests for the transfer of number<BR>
> resources in the case of mergers and acquisitions upon<BR>
> receipt of evidence that the new entity has acquired the<BR>
> assets which had, as of the date of the acquisition or<BR>
> proposed reorganization, justified the current entity's use<BR>
> of the number resource. Examples of assets that justify use<BR>
> of the number resource include, but are not limited to:<BR>
><BR>
> * Existing customer base<BR>
> * Qualified hardware inventory<BR>
> * Specific software requirements.<BR>
><BR>
> In evaluating a request for transfer, ARIN may require the<BR>
> requesting organization to provide any of the following<BR>
> documents, as applicable, plus any other documents deemed appropriate:<BR>
><BR>
> * An authenticated copy of the instrument(s) effecting the<BR>
> transfer of assets, e.g., bill of sale, certificate of<BR>
> merger, contract, deed, or court decree.<BR>
> * A detailed inventory of all assets utilized by the<BR>
> requesting party in maintaining and using the number resource.<BR>
> * A list of the requesting party's customers using the number<BR>
> resource.<BR>
><BR>
> If further justification is required, the requesting party<BR>
> may be asked to provide any of the following, or other<BR>
> supporting documentation, as<BR>
> applicable:<BR>
><BR>
> * A general listing of the assets or components acquired<BR>
> * A specific description of acquisitions, including:<BR>
><BR>
> o Type and quantity of equipment<BR>
> o Customer base<BR>
><BR>
> * A description of how number resources are being utilized<BR>
> * Network engineering plans, including:<BR>
><BR>
> Host counts<BR>
> Subnet masking<BR>
> Network diagrams<BR>
> Reassignments to customers<BR>
><BR>
> *8.3 Transfers to Specified Recipients*<BR>
> IPv4 number resources within the ARIN region may be released<BR>
> to ARIN by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in<BR>
> part, for transfer to another specified organizational<BR>
> recipient. Such transferred number resources may only be<BR>
> received under RSA by organizations that are within the ARIN<BR>
> region and can demonstrate the need for such resources, as a<BR>
> single aggregate, in the exact amount which they can justify<BR>
> under current ARIN policies.<BR>
><BR>
> #####<BR>
><BR>
> Changes to 2009-1 as revised by the AC:<BR>
><BR>
> * Removed 2.8 organization definition<BR>
> * Limited to IPv4 address space<BR>
> * Maintained ARIN as the intermediary<BR>
> * Maintained requirement of source and recipient being in region,<BR>
> and explicitly added the RSA requirement<BR>
> *Added text to clarify need must be a single aggregate<BR>
><BR>
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