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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>"we" is the org I'm the POC for, Internet Partners, Inc.,
as opposed to me -not- speaking officially</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>for that org (which I normally do on this list) Sorry
to not make that more clear.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Yes, I saw Daves reply. The fact that 8.3 is "new"
does not remove the need for the minor</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>edits and reorganization of the NRPM text that Dave was
referring to, that's why we</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>support it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>And yes I also know that the Board is going to do what it
wants, so it is kind of futile to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>even bother commenting in opposition or support at this
point. But I don't want the board</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=381425718-04052009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>to actually start believing it's own back-patting that
everything is all fixed now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> John Sweeting
[mailto:john.sweeting@twcable.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, May 04, 2009 11:40
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Ted Mittelstaedt; Member Services; arin
ppml<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer Policy -
Revised andforwarded to the Board<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hi Ted,<BR><BR>Please see David Farmer’s earlier reply
to Joe Miller. Also please be more specific on who the “we” are in your
email.<BR><BR><BR>On 5/4/09 1:12 PM, "Ted Mittelstaedt" <<A
href="tedm@ipinc.net">tedm@ipinc.net</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR><BR>We still oppose 2009-1 as the removal of the
sunset clause by the<BR>Board fundamentally changed the proposal, and the
mixture of<BR>"merger" transfers in 8.2 and "unrestricted" transfers in
8.3<BR>did not allow for the community to separately comment and
consider<BR>the 2 issues.<BR><BR>If Section 8.3 was struck out we would not
oppose the proposal.<BR><BR>Ted<BR><BR>>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><BR>> From: <A
href="arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</A><BR>> [<A
href="mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net</A>]
On Behalf Of Member Services<BR>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:21
AM<BR>> To: arin ppml<BR>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy 2009-1:
Transfer Policy -<BR>> Revised and forwarded to the Board<BR>><BR>>
The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 29 April 2009 and<BR>> decided to
send a revised version of 2009-1 to the Board for<BR>> their
consideration:<BR>><BR>> Draft Policy 2009-1: Transfer
Policy<BR>><BR>> The original 2009-1 is a result of the utilization
the<BR>> Emergency PDP provision of the ARIN Policy Development<BR>>
Process by the ARIN Board of Trustees. The AC was required to<BR>> make a
recommendation about 2009-1 within 5 business days of<BR>> the conclusion
of the discussion period (the discussion<BR>> period for 2009-1 ended on
29 April 2009). The AC used the<BR>> feedback from the community on the
PPML and at the Public<BR>> Policy Meeting in San Antonio as guidance in
suggesting<BR>> revisions to the draft policy text. The PDP tasks the
Board<BR>> to review the AC's recommendation.<BR>><BR>> The AC's
revised version of 2009-1 is below.<BR>><BR>> The ARIN Policy
Development Process is available at:<BR>><BR>> <A
href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html</A><BR>><BR>>
Regards,<BR>><BR>> Member Services<BR>> American Registry for
Internet Numbers (ARIN)<BR>><BR>><BR>> ## * ##<BR>><BR>>
Draft Policy 2009-1 Transfer Policy as revised by the
AC<BR>><BR>> Originator: ARIN Board of Trustees (using the Emergency
PDP<BR>> provision in the ARIN Policy Development
Process)<BR>><BR>> Date: 29 April 2009<BR>><BR>> Policy
statement:<BR>><BR>> Replace Section 8 as follows:<BR>><BR>> *8.
Transfers*<BR>><BR>> *8.1. Principles*<BR>> Number resources are
non-transferable and are not assignable<BR>> to any other organization
unless ARIN has expressly and in<BR>> writing approved a request for
transfer. ARIN is tasked with<BR>> making prudent decisions on whether to
approve the transfer<BR>> of number resources.<BR>><BR>> It should
be understood that number resources are not "sold"<BR>> under ARIN
administration. Rather, number resources are<BR>> assigned to an
organization for its exclusive use for the<BR>> purpose stated in the
request, provided the terms of the<BR>> Registration Services Agreement
continue to be met and the<BR>> stated purpose for the number resources
remains the same.<BR>> Number resources are administered and assigned
according to<BR>> ARIN's published policies.<BR>><BR>> Number
resources are issued, based on justified need, to<BR>> organizations, not
to individuals representing those<BR>> organizations. Thus, if a company
goes out of business,<BR>> regardless of the reason, the point of
contact<BR>> (POC) listed for the number resource does not have
the<BR>> authority to sell, transfer, assign, or give the number<BR>>
resource to any other person or organization. The POC must<BR>> notify
ARIN if a business fails so the assigned number<BR>> resources can be
returned to the available pool of number<BR>> resources if a transfer is
not requested and justified.<BR>><BR>> *8.2. Mergers and
Acquisitions*<BR>> ARIN will consider requests for the transfer of
number<BR>> resources in the case of mergers and acquisitions
upon<BR>> receipt of evidence that the new entity has acquired
the<BR>> assets which had, as of the date of the acquisition or<BR>>
proposed reorganization, justified the current entity's use<BR>> of the
number resource. Examples of assets that justify use<BR>> of the number
resource include, but are not limited to:<BR>><BR>> * Existing
customer base<BR>> * Qualified hardware inventory<BR>> * Specific
software requirements.<BR>><BR>> In evaluating a request for transfer,
ARIN may require the<BR>> requesting organization to provide any of the
following<BR>> documents, as applicable, plus any other documents deemed
appropriate:<BR>><BR>> * An authenticated copy of the instrument(s)
effecting the<BR>> transfer of assets, e.g., bill of sale, certificate
of<BR>> merger, contract, deed, or court decree.<BR>> * A detailed
inventory of all assets utilized by the<BR>> requesting party in
maintaining and using the number resource.<BR>> * A list of the
requesting party's customers using the number<BR>>
resource.<BR>><BR>> If further justification is required, the
requesting party<BR>> may be asked to provide any of the following, or
other<BR>> supporting documentation, as<BR>>
applicable:<BR>><BR>> * A general listing of the assets or components
acquired<BR>> * A specific description of acquisitions,
including:<BR>><BR>> o Type and quantity of
equipment<BR>> o Customer base<BR>><BR>> * A
description of how number resources are being utilized<BR>> * Network
engineering plans, including:<BR>><BR>> Host
counts<BR>> Subnet masking<BR>>
Network diagrams<BR>> Reassignments
to customers<BR>><BR>> *8.3 Transfers to Specified Recipients*<BR>>
IPv4 number resources within the ARIN region may be released<BR>> to ARIN
by the authorized resource holder, in whole or in<BR>> part, for transfer
to another specified organizational<BR>> recipient. Such transferred
number resources may only be<BR>> received under RSA by organizations
that are within the ARIN<BR>> region and can demonstrate the need for
such resources, as a<BR>> single aggregate, in the exact amount which
they can justify<BR>> under current ARIN policies.<BR>><BR>>
#####<BR>><BR>> Changes to 2009-1 as revised by the
AC:<BR>><BR>> * Removed 2.8 organization
definition<BR>> * Limited to IPv4 address space<BR>>
* Maintained ARIN as the intermediary<BR>> *
Maintained requirement of source and recipient being in region,<BR>>
and explicitly added the RSA requirement<BR>>
*Added text to clarify need must be a single
aggregate<BR>><BR>>
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