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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The interesting thing is that the big ISPs do not want IPV6
because once the IPV4 addresses run out, they have a monopoly and they love monopolies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The telcos are expressing this desire by their apparent
reluctance to IPV6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There is also the expense factor and the non-desire of customers
to care about IPV anything. They just want web pages to come up and IPV6
inhibits not helps.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The thing for ARIN and ICANN need to do is to set a sunset date
by which IPV4 IPs are obsolete and by which the ASN database for them will be
purged.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Problem is there is no ASN to replace them and that is the flaw
in the IPV6 implementational logic.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>IPv4 will persist until such time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hopefully they can come up with BGP6 for IPV6 that will host
millions of ISPs not just 65,535, and set a sunset date for BGP4 and the
current ASN numbers associated with them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This will force a “Gold Rush” and if ARIN was smart
instead of just a steward (whatever that is) they would open it back up just
like it was 1992 all over again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>A whole new crop of ISPs would take part in the Gold Rush.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Until then I will grasp my IPV4 blocks until they pry them from
my cold dead hands.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>George Davey, B.S. MCSE<br>
<i>Network Administrator</i><br>
3200 Grand Avenue<br>
Des Moines, IA 50312<br>
515.271.1544<br>
FAX 515.271.7063<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>CELL 515.480.1605<br>
George.Davey@dmu.edu<br>
www.dmu.edu</span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ted
Mittelstaedt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2009 12:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond'; ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Effect of ARIN's Letters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>The problem is what do your customers want?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>As a smaller ISP we can't set policy on the Internet. We
aren't bringing customers onboard at the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>rate of hundreds a day where we can afford to scrape the 2-3
annoying and demanding ones off our</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>shoes. We are concerned about losing even a single customer -
it won't break us, but we aren't</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>complacent about it either.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>As long as there's customers on the Internet that can demand and
get routable IPv4 addresses from</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>our competitors, we will have to offer IPv4. We don't have
the luxury of a Verizon or a Qwest to be</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>able to look that customer in the eye and say "NO, and nobody
else is going to give you one either"</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>and have the customer curse and swear at us but, due to cut-rate
pricing or contracts, other bundling and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>marketing stuff that allows us to lock in that customer, be able to
force our will on them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>And before you start saying that these large ISPs can't force
customers to do anything, I see it</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>happening all the time. All they have to do is cut their
monthly rate below ours - and it doesn't</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>take much - and there's a lot of customers out there who will do
whatever they tell them to. We have</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>even lost customers to the big guys who ended up paying MORE to the
big guys - but went to them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>solely because they got a unified telephone/internet bill from
a single provider, and they had some</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>accountant 2000 miles away paying the bill who wanted it that way.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>SO, we will be more than happy to 'reclaim and share those
crumbs". It will keep us alive for</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>a long enough time for the big guys to start playing hardball with
their customers and forcing</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>them to IPv6. Once the big guys start telling their customers
NO (or more likely that it will</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>cost them plenty) to get IPv4, then we will be able to raise prices
or do whatever it takes to make</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>our customers go to IPv6 as well.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'>Ted</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Olivier MJ
Crepin-Leblond<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 01, 2009 12:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] Effect of ARIN's Letters</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>The
good news is that we're discussing this on the ARIN list, rather than debating
policies about IPv4 reclaiming which I personally equate to reclaiming and
sharing of crumbs. Nobody's ever survived on crumbs that size.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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