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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Chris,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Obviously the author was hoping that he wouldn't
have to explain himself.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> Which is precisely why the proposal should have ZERO
support.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2> The policy proposal process is supposed to be an
open process. What part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>of it did the author think wasn't?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=471184600-12022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris
Malayter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal:
ProtectiveUsageTransferPolicyforIPv4 Address<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ted,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m not really sure
that playing the name that provider game is going to achieve anything.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I can tell you that
this is not a single special interest and affects over a dozen IX’s.
There may only be one IX publicly discussing the issue, but rest assured that
a lot of the others know about this and are
concerned.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I’m not privy to the
discussions that have occurred between the IX’s and the provider in
question. I am hoping that there have been some, and that some diplomacy
has been attempted. Regardless of if contact has been made or not, the
fact remains that the possibility I discussed in my last post certainly
exists. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">To clarify, you are
correct, to my knowledge no IX has been notified to vacate the space at
this point. To Leo’s point, the IX’s have 10 months and probably do have
enough time to request, receive and renumber into a PI from ARIN and other
RR’s. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think what the
author was trying to do was to bring light to the situation without turning
this into a discussion about a particular corporation, and in fact was trying
to bring light to, this COULD happen. If the community does not want to
have a policy in place to protect people from this happening, that’s one
choice, I think he was hoping for the
alternative.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speaking for
myself,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Ted
Mittelstaedt [mailto:tedm@ipinc.net] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:21
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Chris Malayter;
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
RE: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Protective UsageTransferPolicyforIPv4
Address</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Which
provider?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Unless your going to
name names, I'm not even going to consider looking at
this.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The entire thing
s<st1:PersonName w:st="on">mack</st1:PersonName>s of trying to shove something
through to benefit a </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">single special
interest, with zero explanations as to why it's being
done.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">If these IX's had
contacted each other and contacted this alleged
provider</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and attempted to work
something out, and been rebuffed, and then
contacted</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">ARIN and ARIN
attempted to mediate something, and once more was</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">rebuffed, THEN I
would be willing to support something like this. But so
far</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">no evidence has been
presented that anyone tried diplomacy first,
before</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">hauling out the
munitions and attempting to shoot people with the big
guns.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Since there has been
no cease and desist order issued, and as you say the
IX's</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">know they are
eligible to request direct allocations, then in my opinion if the
IX's</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">are worried about
some future cease and desist order that may or may not
happen,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">and they are
unwilling to try talking first, and unwilling to explain to
the</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">community here who
the players are and get this problem out in the
open,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">then SCREW
THEM.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">They should
immediately request their micro allocations and when they get
them,</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">commence
renumbering.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Ted</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Chris Malayter<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:26
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Protective UsageTransferPolicyforIPv4
Address</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello
all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In an effort to add
some clarification behind the policy proposal that was submitted I will add
the following. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are a large
number of IX’s in the North American region (as well as other regions) that
have address space allocated from a provider that specializes in exchange
allocations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">According to the
current ARIN policy, we are all eligible to request space as a direct
allocation from ARIN. That is not lost on the IX’s and they do
completely understand that they are eligible for a direct allocation.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The real issue is
that if the current provider was to serve a majority of the US IX’s with a
cease and desist order from using the space at the term of all of the
existing contracts at the end of 2009 that would force a massive renumber of
most every IX in the North American region, save one major
IX.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The reason behind
the policy proposal was to provide a method to allow IX’s 1) protection from
having to renumber all of the IX’s, or 2) to at least let the IX’s
have enough time, before they are forced out of the space, to have a smooth
transition.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moreover, if this
happens to other “c(C)ritical i(I)nfrastructure” corporations that
happen to be in unique situations like the IX’s there would be a policy in
place to offer some margin of time or protection to the affected
parties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speaking for myself
not any company or agent.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
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face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Martin
Hannigan<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday,
February 10, 2009 9:26 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [arin-ppml] Policy
Proposal: Protective Usage TransferPolicyforIPv4
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Tue, Feb 10,
2009 at 3:33 PM, Leo Bicknell <<A
href="mailto:bicknell@ufp.org">bicknell@ufp.org</A>>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In a message
written on Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 02:21:51PM -0500, Martin Hannigan
wrote:<BR>> Why do they have two years? These sales are
taking place now, and<BR>>
unexpectedly.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I made the
assumption that we were talking about transfer policy<BR>style transactions,
which ARIN hasn't approved yet; and further<BR>that we were talking about
above board transactions. It seemed<BR>likely to me that above board
transactions of that sort won't be<BR>approved until close to the free pool
exhaustion.<BR><BR>If someone is doing something below board there are
better ways to<BR>address that than policy
changes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR>I mostly
agree with you, Leo, except that this stuff isn't happening below board. The
existing policies are being followed. This is a symptom of our failure to
reach consensus on a transfer policy that reflects the reality of the twenty
first century Internet, not of a systemic corruptness.<BR><BR>Getting back
to the policy; I support the intent, but I think that the author should
clarify what they want us to do a little better. Maybe ask us to establish a
process that a resource holder, an impacted indirect party, can challenge
the legitimacy of "any" transfer instead of appeal it after the fact (TINA)?
Maybe even suggest that all transfers are required to be publicly announced
on the website for a minimum of 60 days prior to execution so that any
affected parties are guaranteed at least some notice. Interesting
transparency, to say the
least.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>-M<<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>