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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Which provider?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Unless your going to name names, I'm not even going to
consider looking at this.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>The entire thing smacks of trying to shove something
through to benefit a </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>single special interest, with zero explanations as to
why it's being done.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>If these IX's had contacted each other and contacted this
alleged provider</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>and attempted to work something out, and been rebuffed, and
then contacted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>ARIN and ARIN attempted to mediate something, and once more
was</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>rebuffed, THEN I would be willing to support something like
this. But so far</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>no evidence has been presented that anyone tried diplomacy
first, before</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>hauling out the munitions and attempting to shoot people
with the big guns.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Since there has been no cease and desist order issued, and
as you say the IX's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>know they are eligible to request direct allocations, then
in my opinion if the IX's</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>are worried about some future cease and desist order that
may or may not happen,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>and they are unwilling to try talking first, and unwilling
to explain to the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>community here who the players are and get this problem out
in the open,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>then SCREW THEM.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>They should immediately </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>request their
micro allocations and when they get them,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>commence renumbering.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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class=007180418-11022009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Chris
Malayter<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal:
Protective UsageTransferPolicyforIPv4 Address<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello
all,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">In an effort to add
some clarification behind the policy proposal that was submitted I will add
the following. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">There are a large
number of IX’s in the North American region (as well as other regions) that
have address space allocated from a provider that specializes in exchange
allocations.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">According to the
current ARIN policy, we are all eligible to request space as a direct
allocation from ARIN. That is not lost on the IX’s and they do
completely understand that they are eligible for a direct allocation.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The real issue is
that if the current provider was to serve a majority of the US IX’s with a
cease and desist order from using the space at the term of all of the existing
contracts at the end of 2009 that would force a massive renumber of most every
IX in the North American region, save one major
IX.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The reason behind the
policy proposal was to provide a method to allow IX’s 1) protection from
having to renumber all of the IX’s, or 2) to at least let the IX’s have
enough time, before they are forced out of the space, to have a smooth
transition.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Moreover, if this
happens to other “c(C)ritical i(I)nfrastructure” corporations that
happen to be in unique situations like the IX’s there would be a policy in
place to offer some margin of time or protection to the affected
parties.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Speaking for myself
not any company or agent.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">-Chris<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">
arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Martin Hannigan<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:26
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal: Protective Usage TransferPolicyforIPv4
Address</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Leo Bicknell <<A
href="mailto:bicknell@ufp.org">bicknell@ufp.org</A>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">In a message written on Tue, Feb 10, 2009
at 02:21:51PM -0500, Martin Hannigan wrote:<BR>> Why do they
have two years? These sales are taking place now, and<BR>>
unexpectedly.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I made the assumption that we were talking about
transfer policy<BR>style transactions, which ARIN hasn't approved yet; and
further<BR>that we were talking about above board transactions. It
seemed<BR>likely to me that above board transactions of that sort won't
be<BR>approved until close to the free pool exhaustion.<BR><BR>If someone is
doing something below board there are better ways to<BR>address that than
policy changes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR><BR>I mostly agree with you, Leo,
except that this stuff isn't happening below board. The existing policies are
being followed. This is a symptom of our failure to reach consensus on a
transfer policy that reflects the reality of the twenty first century
Internet, not of a systemic corruptness.<BR><BR>Getting back to the policy; I
support the intent, but I think that the author should clarify what they want
us to do a little better. Maybe ask us to establish a process that a resource
holder, an impacted indirect party, can challenge the legitimacy of "any"
transfer instead of appeal it after the fact (TINA)? Maybe even suggest that
all transfers are required to be publicly announced on the website for a
minimum of 60 days prior to execution so that any affected parties are
guaranteed at least some notice. Interesting transparency, to say the
least.<BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>-M<<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>