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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 color=black face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;
color:windowtext'> Eliot Lear [mailto:lear@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 24, 2008
11:00 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Kevin
Kargel</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> ppml@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [arin-ppml] Policy
Proposal: IPv4 Recovery Fund</span></font><font color=black><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>On 11/24/08 11:12 PM, <st1:PersonName w:st="on">Kevin
Kargel</st1:PersonName> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<pre><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>[Kevin says:] <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>US government organizations are not only considering conversion, but are<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>already mandated to currently provide IPv6 connectivity on their<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>backbones. This mandate was proclaimed way back in 2005. The same is<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>true of many global governments, of whom the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> is not the leading edge.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>US DoT are already using IPv6 on government circuits.. I don't know<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>where you are getting your facts but these were fallacies that only<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>promoted falsehood.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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Really? And how about the California Department of Motor Vehicles, or the
Indiana Family & Social Services Agency or the Mexican Federales? I
don't know where you live, but how about your local department of emergency
services or your hospital? Are they v6 ready? </span></font><font
color=navy><span style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>[Kevin says:] <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><i><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>I can’t speak for individual agencies, all I know is
that the mandate has been emplaced by the government that the capability be in
place. Whether local agencies have followed the mandate is up to them.
They were well warned and well informed. And yes, if they don’t
implement IPv6 they ARE going to have problems. <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;font-weight:bold;
font-style:italic'>And actually, yes, the hospital in this rural town will be
ready for IPv6 when the tier2 providers offer it to non-government consumers,
as will the telco/ISP.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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<pre wrap=""><font size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>One more statement, while it is good and necessary to maintain IPv4 for<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>existing networks who do not wish to evolve, I do not think there is any<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>moral imperative (in fact I think it is impossible) to maintain a steady<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>supply of IPv4 for all comers forever. You can't get blood from a rock.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Attempting to maintain a limitless supply of a finite resource is a<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre><pre><font
size=2 color=black face="Courier New"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>certain way to fail.<o:p></o:p></span></font></pre>
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Nobody said ANYTHING about a limitless supply. What many of us are asking
is what to do with a scarcity. Some of the above sites will need address
space, and their need will not go unmet, although the usefulness of their
service to the community may diminish.</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[Kevin says:] Well, Doh.. IPv4 is
running out and all of a sudden everyone is surprised and amazed that there is
going to be a scarcity of IPv4 IP space.. Do you think this might have
anything at all to do with why forward looking people and organizations are
working so hard on getting IPv6 established? Of course those sites will
need address space.. why do you think the Government went through the
trouble to mandate IPv6 connectivity?<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
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Eliot<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>[Kevin says:] <o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>We all need to quit bemoaning the death of
IPv4 and start celebrating the birth of IPv6 . That is going to have a
much better effect on keeping infrastructures running. Desperately
clinging to the old technology just impairs the advance of the new.<o:p></o:p></span></font></i></b></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><i><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
font-weight:bold;font-style:italic'>You are working from a cisco email address
Eliot, I am sure you are aware of the capabilities of Cisco routing hardware to
by default operate a dual stack environment allowing coexistence between IPv4
and IPv6. The onset of IPv6 does not scare me, I look forward to
it. There will be challenges to overcome, and transitional costs..
that is part of the job. </span></font></i></b><font size=2 color=navy
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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