<div dir="ltr">David, <br><br>Although I get what you're saying currently the Arctic Regions aren't asking for a change in ARIN policy. This proposal was asked for by a specific subset of our community and it was written in an effort to serve the needs of that community. I personally feel that the ARIN staff has defined that region in their response to this proposal. I am not wedded to its name and if we want to call this policy something else that's fine. I object to making it a kitchen sink proposal (which will definitely delay this proposal from approval) that includes segments of the community that didn't ask for and don't necessarily need this policy. <br>
<br>----Cathy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:20 PM, David Farmer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farmer@umn.edu">farmer@umn.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I really liked Michael's Dillon's editorial suggestions from earlier, that I'll<br>
summarize, and maybe change slightly here;<br>
<br>
1. Find a different name for it, "Caribbean Region", at least by itself, doesn't<br>
work, maybe "Caribbean Region and assorted islands".<br>
<br>
2. Add the other assorted islands that are part of the ARIN Region, probably<br>
Antarctica too. Basically anything not US and Canada. If this is justified for<br>
the Caribbean, it is justified for these other islands and Antarctica too.<br>
<br>
3. Explicitly define the Countries and Territories included by official<br>
destinations.<br>
<br>
I brought up that maybe even the Arctic Regions of the US and Canada<br>
could be included in the future, but that they should not be included now<br>
because of the difficulty of finding a workable definition and consensus for it.<br>
Honestly, please lets not even talk about including any part of the US and<br>
Canada for now. I regret even mentioning the idea earlier, even if it was to<br>
only to say not to do it as it would bog things down.<br>
<br>
So back to what to call this thing; I'm really not sure what the term is we are<br>
talking about here, but it includes factors of Remoteness, Sparsity of<br>
Population, and Sparsity of Infrastructure. It is really the product of the all<br>
these factors. It is one of those things where I think you know it when you<br>
see it, but you really can't explain it. I haven't found a name for it, but maybe<br>
you could call it an Internet Desert, just a thought, but it doesn't work for the<br>
title of this policy.<br>
<br>
As I said earlier, I support this important policy and call for the inclusion of<br>
these other miscellaneous islands, and including them isn't really a material<br>
change to the concept here.<br>
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David Farmer<br>
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On 9 Oct 2008 Scott Leibrand wrote:<br>
<br>
> Didn't this whole thread start from a staff assessment of which countries<br>
> and territories would be included? If that definition is accurate and<br>
> reflects what we want from the policy, then it doesn't seem that any<br>
> further changes are necessary...<br>
><br>
> -Scott<br>
><br>
> David Williamson wrote:<br>
> > On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 01:34:28PM -0400, Leo Bicknell wrote:<br>
> >> So I don't believe population density has anything to do with the<br>
> >> problem, and I would not support taking the definition in a direction<br>
> >> that uses population density as a metric.<br>
> ><br>
> > I agree that population density isn't the relevant point, but I don't<br>
> > think it's as simple as geography either. If it is, what about<br>
> > something like Catalina Island off of LA? That's clearly not in scope<br>
> > for this proposal.<br>
> ><br>
> > I think the challenges in the Caribbean stem from a combination of<br>
> > geographic isolation *and* separate political (and regulatory)<br>
> > environments.<br>
> ><br>
> > That said, the proposal is a bit odd geographically. It doesn't<br>
> > actually contain a definition of who is (and isn't) part of that<br>
> > region. I assume Bermuda is included, even though it is not notably<br>
> > close the Caribbean. Politically, Bermuda has much in common with St.<br>
> > Pierre and Miquelon, although the populations are of different scale.<br>
> > I couldn't find a definition of "Caribbean region" in a quick search of<br>
> > the ARIN website either, so this proposal is a bit ambiguous. Does an<br>
> > ISP in the Florida Keys qualify under this policy? The intent is<br>
> > clearly to not allow that.<br>
> ><br>
> > I support the intent of this policy. I'd prefer to see a policy that<br>
> > either listed the relevant countries and territories (directly or be<br>
> > reference to some other document within ARIN), or simply said non-US<br>
> > and non-Canada portions of the ARIN region.<br>
> ><br>
> > -David<br>
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