<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I think this is not an area for policy. Policy allows the ISP to choose their level<div>of protection for their customers as they see fit for their business.</div><div><br></div><div>Customers have the freedom to choose their ISP such that ISPs which do</div><div>not provide adequate protection probably lose customers.</div><div><br></div><div>ARIN allows for adequate protections if the ISP chooses to use them. It is not</div><div>ARIN's job to be the ISP behavior police. At least not in this area.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:25 AM, chris mr wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I have to agree with Heather on this one. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Unless the account holder is a business entity (separate from a person), the POC needs to be the upstream ISP. Knowing a residential customer's IP block, name, address, and ISP can lead to all kinds of abuse issues. This is no joke.<br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><br><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: heather skanks <<a href="mailto:heather.skanks@gmail.com">heather.skanks@gmail.com</a>><br>To: chris mr <<a href="mailto:chris.misztur@yahoo.com">chris.misztur@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net">arin-ppml@arin.net</a><br>Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:05:50 PM<br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Manual : Customer Privacy<br><br><div dir="ltr" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Automated provisioning systems ... did you think that someone generates all those millions of templates by hand? :)<br><br> --heather<br><br><div class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 7:52 PM, chris mr<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:chris.misztur@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:chris.misztur@yahoo.com">chris.misztur@yahoo.com</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; ">Hello,<br><br>Reference:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2376">http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four2376</a><br><br>I have recently noticed that ISPs such as ATT(SIS-80) and Comcast(CBCI) publish their customers' personal information in /29 reassignments. For my residential DSL service I was told to contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ipadmin@att.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ipadmin@att.com">ipadmin@att.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to hide my personal information, which they did.<br><br>What are your thoughts as to why ISPs do not protect their residential customers' privacy by default?<br><br>My thought on this subject is that ISPs still have the belief that Internet service with static IP blocks is only required by businesses, therefore ISPs fail to make the distinction between personal and business Internet accounts.<br><br>Chris<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.<br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>PPML<br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>).<br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<br><a href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a><br>Please contact<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if you experience any issues.</div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>