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<P><FONT SIZE=2>The services rendered to legacy holders is real and if you don't think it is worth anything then simply say.<BR>
Please stop providing any and all services that are rendered on behalf of legacy addresses that have taken effect since the initial allocation.<BR>
Fair?<BR>
bd<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net on behalf of John Paul Morrison<BR>
Sent: Thu 9/4/2008 4:53 PM<BR>
To: arin-ppml@arin.net<BR>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] maintenance fees for legacy space holders<BR>
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On 9/4/2008 1:17 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:<BR>
> The problem comes in trying to justify why you have a different<BR>
> pricing model for Legacy than for everyone else who is (and has<BR>
> been) paying the standard fees for years.<BR>
> <BR>
This isn't that hard.<BR>
<BR>
First of all, there was no fee specified at the time they were given.<BR>
And IP addresses were given out, no strings attached, with no<BR>
expectation that they would come back, so why would there be any<BR>
expectation of a recurring charge? If an item was given away for free<BR>
with no terms of service, how can one argue that a "service" whether<BR>
it's whois/DNS, or PPML, be tacked on later and then charged for? Under<BR>
that light, $10/year seems fair, even charitable of Legacy holders to<BR>
pay, given there's likely been little change since the original<BR>
assignments.<BR>
<BR>
Second, there's no real justification for any costs to Legacy holders.<BR>
The addresses were given out while the administration of the Internet<BR>
was publicly funded, by the NSF, CA*Net (in Canada) etc., so any real<BR>
work has already been paid out of tax dollars. The allocation is simply<BR>
an entry in a database, or back of a napkin for that matter. It's great<BR>
that it's recorded in Whois, but it's not a requirement that it be that way.<BR>
<BR>
For the sake of argument, someone could document all the Legacy<BR>
allocations and publish an RFC and say 'that's the historical record'<BR>
and do away with any whois, other requirements, or ARIN's involvement<BR>
with all of Legacy space for that matter, and that would be the<BR>
historical record for all time, unless anyone cared enough to make minor<BR>
revisions as a courtesy. What's to distinguish one Legacy assignment<BR>
from another? 127.0.0.0/8 is assigned in an RFC, so are the Class E<BR>
addresses and many others. I'm pretty sure the RFC process pre-dates<BR>
whois, especially since 811 prior RFCs were published before they got<BR>
around to publishing the one for Whois, but I could be wrong. (And if<BR>
this Legacy holders RFC were published on April 1, I think that would<BR>
definitely absolve the Legacy holders of any obligation to chip in for<BR>
their 1/5000th share of the costs of hosting and maintaining the RFCs!)<BR>
<BR>
Especially in light of IPv4 address exhaustion, would anyone like to<BR>
reclaim 127.0.0.0/8 or the Class E space, or parts of Legacy space? Yes,<BR>
of course if we had the chance to do it all over, we would do things<BR>
differently, but we can't. If people don't like that, that's too bad. In<BR>
practical terms, IP address assignments are permanent and irrevocable.<BR>
<BR>
> If we're going to drop the annual maintenance fee to some lower<BR>
> level, I'd like to see that happen across the board rather than<BR>
> just for legacy holders. Thus, we'd need to calculate it<BR>
> in those terms.<BR>
> <BR>
It's sounding like it's just not worth the effort to collect a token<BR>
amount.<BR>
> Owen<BR>
><BR>
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