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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s like saying that anyone born before the patriot act
came into place is exempt. If the rules change they should change for
everyone. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I say that as a legacy holder.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I don’t have an issue with the policy per say but maybe
the approach should be to push ipv6 harder. Implement any policies we need for
ipv6 and everyone will have to be on board when it takes on a life of their
own. That would of course imply that legacy holders do not have any special
rights carried over to ipv6; I may have missed the discussions on that; but I
hope they would not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ralph<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Davey, George<br>
<b>Sent:</b> August 22, 2008 12:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [arin-ppml] Whois Integrity Policy Proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Legacy agreements make no mention of DNS or email
requirements. Legacy holders are under no obligation to please ARIN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This would be yet another attempt to force people in legacy
agreements to sign an updated agreement and they should not be bullied into
doing so.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The Hobbs Act of 1951 addressed this type of unfair pressure to
force people to change contractual rights out of fear of losing intangible
properties acquired under an allocation contract.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I feel firm that any attempt to bully legacy holders to sign
anything is both unlawful and unnecessary. It is especially
unnecessary harassment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>What troubles me the most is the ease at which people will form
a Lynch mob to strip others of rights they cannot share because they were not
there at the time that particular right was established. Most of the
victims are naïve or have not had proper legal counsel advising them of their
contractual rights. The legacy agreements did not have a clause giving
ANY governing body the right to discuss or pressure them into changing their
contract to please ARIN, ICANN, or IANA. In my opinion it is a democratic
socialist movement to make everyone the same by force of fear of losing the
space fairly allocated to them in the legacy time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>There are many ways each of us can make the Internet a better
place, forcing people to sign contracts by force of fear is not one of them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I do not support this policy at this time because I think it
clearly has a hidden agenda and will not stop spammers or even slow them down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>George Davey, B.S. MCSE<br>
<i>Network Administrator</i><br>
3200 Grand Avenue<br>
Des Moines, IA 50312<br>
515.271.1544<br>
FAX 515.271.4200<br>
George.Davey@dmu.edu<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";
color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Paul Morrison<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 22, 2008 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dale W. Carder<br>
<b>Cc:</b> arin-ppml@arin.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [arin-ppml] LRSA concerns (Re: Policy Proposal: Whois
Integrity Policy Proposal)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On 8/22/2008 8:21 AM, Dale W. Carder wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
<blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><pre>I proposed then that a good first step to get legacy holders into the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>"tent" would be a milder contract that didn't put their "rights"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(whatever they may be now or determined in the future) on the line.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre></blockquote>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>I agree with this approach.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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I agree as well. It's also justifiable in terms of paying a registrar for
domain and reverse DNS. I have no problem paying $10 a year or whatever to
godaddy for a dot com registration,<br>
so I have no opposition to paying to an in-addr.arpa registrar, who could
provide whois and registrar services at a competitive rate. <br>
Just as dot com registration was once free and was converted to pay as you go,
so can in-addr.arpa for legacy registrants. Perhaps this can side-step some of
the opposition to legacy changes.<br>
<br>
Most of this could leverage existing registrar, domain registration and whois
infrastructure. So legacy holders can pay their way for the registration
infrastructure, while any questions of "ownership" or legitimacy can
be sorted out separately, or they can simply whither on the vine with IPv6
approaching.<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>If we all think that whois needs to be updated and this can't be<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>done without a contract, could a contract specific to whois<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>maintenance be written as Jeff outlined without the things that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>legacy holders are clearly concerned about in the current LRSA?<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>LRSA-lite could be a lot easier for legacy holders to swallow.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As v4 runout gets closer, I worry about increased hijacking.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>The value of database maintenance will then be clear to everyone.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Dale<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>PPML<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a
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